Jordan Peterson on Catholicism: ‘That’s as sane as people can get’

LifeSiteNews ^ | May 27, 2019 | John-Henry Westen

[Mrs. Don-o]

May 27, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) — Speaking with one of the best-known conservative Jews, Dennis Prager, at the PragerU summit last week, world-famous psychologist Jordan Peterson spoke of God and his views of faith. After speaking about his dislike for the question ‘Do you believe in God?’ Peterson said, “I think that Catholicism — that's as sane as people can get.”

Peterson has often been asked about his faith, if he believes in God, and he said the question has always troubled him. He promised a podcast on the matter since he has given his dislike for the question much thought.

He explained, “Who would have the audacity to claim that they believed in God if they examined the way they lived? Who would dare say that?”

“To believe, in a Christian sense,” he added, “means that you live it out fully and that's an that's an unbearable task in some sense.”

Then in one long drawn-out, rapid-fire thought, the type that has enthralled his millions of fans, he laid out extemporaneously the vision of a believer in God:

“To be able to accept the structure of existence, the suffering that goes along with it and the disappointment and the betrayal, and to nonetheless act properly; to aim at the good with all your heart; to dispense with the malevolence and your desire for destruction and revenge and all of that; and to face things courageously and to tell the truth to speak the truth and to act it out, that's what it means to believe -- that's what it means -- it doesn't mean to state it, it means to act it out. And, unless you act it out you should be very careful about claiming it. And so, I've never been comfortable saying anything other than I try to act as if God exists because God only knows what you'd be if you truly believed.”

See the full exchange of Peterson and Prager here.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Christ presented His blood once in heaven.

This is not an argument that altars are necessary on earth.

[northislander]

Paul repeatedly refers collectively to the believers as ‘saints’...

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“Paul repeatedly refers collectively to the believers as ‘saints’...

Yes, but he did not tell anyone to pray to each other.

Nor does Scripture teach that departed saints can hear us.

Nor does anyone in Scripture pray to a departed saint.

[northislander]

You are too smart to converse with a sacerdotalist...

[Luircin]

Since the SOLA part of SOLA SCRIPTURA is all over the Bible, as you claim, it should be quite easy to you to find just one teensy little verse that asserts this.

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Oh for the love of saltpeter and Cheez-Its, THAT old canard again?

If I’m going to use the CCC when talking about what Catholics believe, it would be nice of you to return the favor when you’re talking about what Sola Scriptura means.

Here’s the definition: Scripture is 1: Infallible, 2: Sufficient for knowledge of salvation, and 3: the supreme authority and rule of faith.

Points 1 and 3 should be obvious if you are to accept that it was God speaking through the pens of the prophets and Apostles.

As for point 2, here you are:
“but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.”

John the Apostle seems to think that his Gospel was quite *sufficient* for salvation and life.

[Mark17]

Opinions are like; uh; elbows...

Yeah; that’s the ticket!

Nevertheless, I still have my opinion about who appeared to the children at Fatima. 😁😆

[Mark17]

Of course they do not say it. They’ve never been taught the truth.

Hmmm. Sounds like salvation by works. I don’t think it will cut the mustard. 😁

[Iscool]

Since the SOLA part of SOLA SCRIPTURA is all over the Bible, as you claim, it should be quite easy to you to find just one teensy little verse that asserts this.
I looked up ONLY and ALONE and BY ITSELF in an online concordance and found no such thing. Did I use the wrong keywords?
Help me out here.

Sure...It's right here...

Joh_20:31  But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

And here...

1Jn_5:13  These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

It's just spelled a little bit differently than you're used to...Everything we need to learn about how to attain salvation is written in the scriptures...That is clear...I'd say that puts scripture ALONE and BY ITSELF...

1Jn 1:4  And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. 

1Jn 2:1  My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 
1Jn 2:2  And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

1Jn 2:13  I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father. 
1Jn 2:14  I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one. 

1Jn 2:26  These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 
1Jn 2:27  But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 

2Pe_3:15  And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

We have it all, in the scriptures...Scripture Alone...And we have it all before the first Catholic Church Father or Doctor ever showed up...

And what's more, we no only have everything we need to get saved, build our churches and worship God, we have numerous warnings and instructions how to identify those false religions who would usurp the authority of the scriptures...And the apostle Paul lays one on us here:

2Co 12:6  For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me. 

Paul, the greatest of the Apostles tells us to look upon him as a mere man...No Vickar, no Cardinal or Arch Bishop...Just a sinner saved by grace, chosen by God to preaching the word of God...No fancy clothes, no throne and certainly not allowing anyone to bow down to him...

[Shethink13]

We have it all, in the scriptures...Scripture Alone...And we have it all before the first Catholic Church Father or Doctor ever showed up...

Wow - too bad for all those early Christians, especially those who were martyred before the “Scripture Alone” was written and compiled, those who were unable to read or who could not afford a scarce handwritten document. Guess it was just bad timing for them, huh?

[Mark17]

I would say that the only two men who lived lives that would qualify as *good enough* would be Joseph and Daniel.

Maybe Elijah, Enoch and Methuselah, but the truth is, they fell short of the glory of God too, just like all of us. They needed to be saved by grace through faith, just like all of us. 👍😁😆🇵🇭 Old Testament saints were saved EXACTLY like New Testament saints are. By faith. There is no difference.

[boatbums]

We have it all, in the scriptures...Scripture Alone...And we have it all before the first Catholic Church Father or Doctor ever showed up...

Wow - too bad for all those early Christians, especially those who were martyred before the “Scripture Alone” was written and compiled, those who were unable to read or who could not afford a scarce handwritten document. Guess it was just bad timing for them, huh?

Of course you are being facetious here for effect, but do you understand that the Scriptures are the WRITTEN form of Almighty God's revealed truth? Whether or not someone could read or have a personal copy of the Scriptures that were in the process of being written and compiled, the truth didn't change....it never does. The same verbal teachings that were first preached by Jesus as well as the further revelation the Apostles and disciples were given once Christ ascended to heaven have been recorded and preserved and passed down to us today. God's word will never pass away.

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. (Romans 10:17)

And we continually thank God that in receiving the word of God from us, you did not accept it as the word of men, but as the true word of God--the word now at work in you who believe. (I Thessalonians 2:13)

The Scriptures have authority because they are the very words of God. Holy men of God spoke as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit - they didn't write from their own imaginings or interpretation. By writing these words down, the Holy Spirit ensured that all may know what God wants us to know and believe for all time. If someone hears the gospel and believes or another reads the gospel and believes it is the SAME word of God. No human organization could be in authority over God's word but all are to be in submission to the word of God and what it teaches. This truth has been acknowledged and taught from the start of Christianity.

[Elsie]

That's all you've got? Misrepresentaiton and mockery?

Aw hecky dern...

You don't even like my Representaiton and mockery!

[Elsie]

1 Timothy 1   (NIV)

 

1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the command of God our Savior and of Christ Jesus our hope,
2 To Timothy my true son in the faith:
Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

Timothy Charged to Oppose False Teachers

 

3 As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain people not to teach false doctrines any longer 4 or to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. Such things promote controversial speculations rather than advancing God’s work—which is by faith. 5 The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. 6 Some have departed from these and have turned to meaningless talk. 7 They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.

 

8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.

 

The Lord’s Grace to Paul

 

12 I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who has given me strength, that he considered me trustworthy, appointing me to his service. 13 Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief. 14 The grace of our Lord was poured out on me abundantly, along with the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus.
15 Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners—of whom I am the worst. 16 But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. 17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

 

The Charge to Timothy Renewed

 

18 Timothy, my son, I am giving you this command in keeping with the prophecies once made about you, so that by recalling them you may fight the battle well, 19 holding on to faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and so have suffered shipwreck with regard to the faith. 20 Among them are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme.

[Elsie]

Losing the Gospel was the single biggest failure of Catholicism.

... the sound doctrine that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.

[Elsie]

Yes, it's "stand firm in faith in Christ." That's the POINT.

Indeed!

Not stand firm in...

Church,
Mary,
Sacraments,
Wafers,
"Fathers",
Apparitions...

(Where's that darn 'mocking' list when I need it?)

[Elsie]

So far exactly ZERO 
FRomans(whaterver that is) or 
anyone else for that matter have 
made the slightest peep... 

O...
K...

"One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved, in which the priest himself is the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the species of bread and wine; the bread (changed) into His body by the divine power of transubstantiation, and the wine into the blood, so that to accomplish the mystery of unity we ourselves receive from His (nature) what He Himself received from ours."

--Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215)

[Elsie]

The worst piece of poetry that I’ve read
Sprang unbidden from a Catholics head.
Don't need no testaments;
Got a lot of sacraments:
You PROTS will find out when you're DEAD!!!

(Number #2?)

[Elsie]

Hard to see how "grace only kicks in when there is sin."

Alrighty then.

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Luke 2:22-24

 

When the time came for the purification rites required by the Law of Moses, Joseph and Mary took him to Jerusalem to present him to the Lord  (as it is written in the Law of the Lord, “Every firstborn male is to be consecrated to the Lord”),  and to offer a sacrifice in keeping with what is said in the Law of the Lord: “a pair of doves or two young pigeons.”

 

Leviticus 12:7-8

 

Then he shall offer it before the LORD and make atonement for her, and she shall be cleansed from the flow of her blood. This is the law for her who bears a child, whether a male or a female.
'But if she cannot afford a lamb, then she shall take two turtledoves or two young pigeons, the one for a burnt offering and the other for a sin offering; and the priest shall make atonement for her, and she will be clean.'"

 

 

 

 

Sinless Mary??

  Not according to Rome's Book;    1 John 1:8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

 

That's the way it is WRITTEN.

 

THIS is the way it is TAUGHT:  1 John 1:8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us; the only exception being Mary, Mother of GOD, of course.

 Rome has made IT's 'Mary' into a HYPOCRIT, by painting her as SINLESS, yet writing of her going into the temple to make a SIN offering.

[Elsie]

We use an altar. Altars are used for sacrifices.

Does it have horns?

[Elsie]

or 77...

https://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/2443/why-is-there-numerical-ambiguity-in-matthew-1821-22