Posted on 05/25/2019 5:01:29 AM PDT by Saveourcountry
If President Trump has not committed any Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors, then it would be unconstitutional to impeach him just for politics, wouldn't it? What am I missing here? I mean, have they even uncovered a misdemeanor? Has he had a traffic ticket or something? The constitution clearly sets the grounds for impeachment, and it is pretty broad, but to me, it doesn't look like they have any grounds.
Am I wrong to believe that if they go ahead and impeach him for political reasons without any sort of crime whatsoever that the impeachment could be overturned on a constitutional basis?
The House could file articles of impeachment because they don’t like the way a President shaves in the morning. They can use any reason they like.
It is a moot question. We have had 2 presidents that were impeached by the House — Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton. Neither were removed from office.
Whether the House impeaches is irrelevant ... the Senate will never convict.
The only president to leave office before his term was over was Richard Nixon, and he was never impeached at all. He only resigned to save the office and the country from going through the circus.
A lawyer once told me, “It doesn’t matter whether the laws are firmly on your side or not. Once you go before a judge you are taking a fifty/fifty crap shoot.” The House impeaches and the Senate tries. With senators like Romney and Collins and the way they shamelessly trade votes for pork, it’s a crap shoot there as well. Another thing the lawyer said is, “There is no justice and if there is, it’s an accident.”
I suspect that if impeachment was pursued by the Rats the Federal courts would reject any challenge that DJT might lodge with a "leave us out of this" decision.
Since when has the DemRATS followed the Constitution? The REAL one, words and meaning?
I love what SC Justice Scalia said about the Constitution. That it is not a “living” document. It is a “LEGALLY BINDING CONTRACT”.
The Honorable Judge Scalia was a Constitutional defender. Dangerous to the deep state.
This might help, for a good laugh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_impeach_Donald_Trump
As for Pelosi
“In May 2019 she indicated that Trump’s continued actions, which she characterized as obstruction of justice and refusal to honor Congressional subpoenas, might make an impeachment inquiry necessary. An increasing number of House Democrats and one Republican were requesting such an inquiry.”
But... both Bill Clinton and Andrew Johnson had broken the law prior to impeachment and were impeached for their crimes. Andrew Johnson believed that the law he broke was unconstitutional, and it was eventually overturned by the Supreme Court, but at the time it was against the law. President Trump has not broken any laws. I don’t see how they have any constitutional basis for bringing articles of impeachment.
This confuses me because the constitution says a president can only be impeached for Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors. The last time I checked shaving doesn’t qualify.
The democRAT-controlled House can use whatever they like for charges to impeach Trump.
But there are downsides that are political too.
First the Senate, probably won't convict.
Second, the voters will see whether the democRATS are being frivolous or serious with their impeachment effort. The 2020 election looms large.
Impeachment is constitutional even if the charges are based on partisan politics.
If it is done unconstitutionally, then wouldn’t the courts have to become involved? I don’t know, that is why I ask.
Andrew Nohnson had not broken any laws. He was impeached because he wanted to follow Lincoln’s plan of gentle reunification. The ‘bloody flag’ Republicans wanted punishment. The end result was a neutering Of Johnson and the decades of hatred between north and south that still exists to a degree today.
I call it rule by impeachment.
Bad shaving is a misdemeanor.
They can impeach for just about any reason they concoct, but then it goes to the Senate for trial, which it is almost impossible to convict. It requires 2/3rd majority to convict. The founding fathers were brilliant in setting up this way because it forces the politicians to conduct a trial where politics will become obvious and will backfire on the politicians. These democrats would have to list the articles of impeachment and what would those charges be? They don’t like Trump? He lies? etc.? There are no criminal charges that they can make.
If that is true, why does the constitution outline the rules? Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors are the only reasons outlined in the constitution for a basis for impeachment. Not whatever the Democrats decide is a good reason minus any crime. If they had uncovered even a misdemeanor, then there could be a political basis, but as far as we have seen - not even that has been found.
I hope they do it. It would be nice to have both Congress and POTUS.
“It’s a crap shoot”. Not really. It sounds like you think a Romney or 2 turncoats could determine it. It takes 67 votes — meaning Dems would need 20+ GOP votes.
No Andrew Johnson had broken a law that they enacted specifically for him saying he could not fire someone. He thought it was unconstitutional and fired him anyway. Look it up. It was unconstitutional and was overturned, but at the time that he did it, it was against the law.
define “other high Crimes and Misdemeanors,”.
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