Posted on 12/15/2018 4:10:34 AM PST by sparklite2
Maison Hullibarger’s father tells the Detroit Free Press that he asked the priest to stop talking during the Dec. 8 funeral Mass. But Jeff Hullibarger says the Rev. Don LaCuesta continued giving a critical sermon at Our Lady of Mount Carmel Church in Temperance.
Hullibarger says some mourners left the church crying.
The archdiocese released a statement Thursday saying it’s sorry that an “unbearable situation was made even more difficult.” The archdiocese says LaCuesta will not preach at funerals “for the foreseeable future.”
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The principle: God is the Lord and Giver of Life. (= not you.)
The principle: Your body belongs to God. (= not yourself.) The principle: in Deuteronomy 30:19 God commands "Choose Life" -- and the rest of that command is, "... that you and your children might live." (=He's talking about you. You. And your children.)
When dealing with principles, the tech details don't matter. ("Do not shed innocent blood, it is an abomination" does not mean "... so, hey go for carbon monoxide inhalation, food poisoning or asphyxiation instead.")
Trying to avoid the inescapable conclusion of "Suicide is wrong" is like the so-called Gay Christians saying "Well, Jesus Himself never explicitly came out against anal intercourse, so there's that, Plus, St. Paul was talking about temple boy prostitutes, and we don't do it at a temple. We do it at the interstate rest stop. So that doesn't apply to us."
Besides, we don't even have a record of what the priest actually said, It could well have been a 2-minute warning against self-slaying, tucked into a 15-minute homily on the infinite tenderness of Divine Mercy.
Oh, wait. Seconds on the peach tea!
You are right about our religion. Suicide is quite the sin. Because it’s murder so can never be forgiven by the victim.
We are whining and moaning about suicide in this thread yet no one notices the elephant with the word CHOICE painted on it’s side.
I never said that praying for the dead changed their eternal destination. That is impossible.
But for the 349th time, do not tell us what we believe. It is just tedious. Thank you. P.S. When you hit 350 you win the free peach tea. Your shipping address, please?
Dear Sirs:
I understand that a position as pastor is open in your church and I would like to apply for it. I have some qualifications for the work, and this letter is an honest review of my past service in the ministry.
I am almost 60 years of age and have been in the ministry for about 25 years. I’ve never lasted very long in any one place, but once I did stay in one church three years. People say my health is not good, but I ignore these kinds of irritants and press on anyway, believing my ill health is actually an advantage to keep my big ego in check.
I’m a strong leader and have usually wound up in charge of everything I’ve ever done. I’ll be frank with you, I’m not always popular, and have been expelled from a number of cities where I ministered. But in every case it was because of a trouble-making opposition I seem to get everywhere I go. I just preach the truth and some people get angry when they hear it.
You may hear about the time when I confronted the highest leader in my denomination to his face -- in front of an entire church body. But he was clearly in the wrong and he backed down. It is that simple: I was right, and he was wrong. I spoke the truth, as I always do. And my truth won the day.
I have seldom been able to work full-time in the ministry, so I have usually had employment outside of my ministry to help support me. In some churches I received no salary at all, and occasionally my job even provided for paying the staff too, though that was not the average situation. Don't the idea though that I worked only with large churches. Most of the churches I've worked with were small, and all of them were able to meet in a house or small hall.
I am a good preacher and well-trained in Bible truths though I often preach longer than people think I should—sometimes for several hours. And you might hear that I have even preached all night at times.
I have had some success at church planting, though some believe my methods are wrong. What I do is enter a new city and find the local religious gathering. I attend there until I get an opportunity to teach or speak, then I show them how their doctrine is wrong and the doctrine I teach is correct. This usually causes a lot of division, and those who side with me generally split off the original group and with that core group I start a new church.
In case you follow up on my references you may discover some questionable events. So I need to give my side on these stories. Yes, it is true that I am guilty of conspiracy to commit murder. But that was before I accepted Christ. And it is true that because of several problems since becoming a Christian, I have been put in jail. But most of these were short stays, though I have just been released from a four-year stint -- two years in Caesarea and the last two here in Rome. But I’ve never given up on my faith—even as a convict. Yes, I have been accused as a trouble-maker but these are false accusations, the real trouble-makers are the Jews who keep following me everywhere I go stirring up trouble against me.
Spiritually I have had an incredible journey. Early in my ministry I had "another world" experience—which I do not even talk about. I heard inexpressible things. And you need not worry about a charismatic influence, for I am a hard-liner on that issue, always limiting speaking in tongues to a few at a time, and though I speak with tongues myself more than most everybody else, I never do so in public meetings.
I have always worked in a staff ministry, and usually expect a staff as normal. If your church can't pay them, I will figure out a way to have them work directly for me. My staff is generally loyal to me, in fact I demand it. In my first staff relationship, the senior member of the staff quickly recognized that I was more competent than he was, and he stepped down to the associate role so I could assume the leadership of our staff. Later that year the third member of our staff left abruptly walked out, but I thought at that time he was too soft for the ministry anyway. Eventually I lost my associate too when he tried to persuade me to bring that young fellow back on staff. I refused. He left and started another ministry, though we are still friends. I have been used to working with a large staff, but I admit that I've had a lot of staff turnover -- few of them stay very long. That's what multiplication is all about, though isn't it? As to my wife, I do not give any details other than I will be accompanied wherever I go not by her but by a physician, a faithful layman who has been with me for quite a while. He will be moving with me to wherever I go next.
There may be other rumors and accusations about me that you hear when following up my references Strong leaders have strong opposition. So, I wish to address these other rumors and reports directly to you as follows:
- I can get along with church leaders, so long as they are not narrow-minded and legalistic.
- I am not a church splitter. The only division I ever cause is where falsehood is being preached.
- I am not a liberal on issues of behavior and keeping church traditions—though the Jerusalem headquarters ruled gentiles can't eat meat offered to idols, I have adapted that rule in the gentile churches -- face it, the headquarters is often in the business of protecting the old wineskins. I allow the gentiles in my churches to eat idol-meat, unless it would cause another to stumble.
- As for legalism, it is true that I am an avid opponent of it and will do everything in my power to defeat these evil people who are enemies of the true gospel.
- The single woman we stayed with in that first week in Europe was a new convert and she had said, "If you consider me a believer, come home and stay with me." Besides, there were several of us anyway, and she had servants there too.
- I did not use a new-age seeker-approach to reach the academic community. I merely started where they were—in a belief in an unknown God.
- It is true that I stayed several years with one married couple never getting my own house, but that was on their invitation.
- My involvement in casting out demons is not the primary focus of my ministry.
- I do not have a "death-wish," and the only reason I refused to listen to the Christians about my plans to go back to the city where I was most opposed was because they were wrong in discerning the Lord's will and I was right.
- I am not personally benefiting from my ministry and not making tons of money off of it—I do not even break even.
- I did not even touch the big offering I have been raising for the last 20 years. I never transport the money myself and always have several witnesses hold it and take the cash to the project—I do not handle offering monies whatever you have heard from one of my former churches.
I hope you will consider my application.
Psalm 116:15 KJV
Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints.
The next verse does NOT read: Unless he killed himself.
and yet Paul; who is NOT the Lord; said:
1 Corinthians 7:13-14And if a woman has an unbelieving husband and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his believing wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy.
If you didn't know that, I can only conclude that either you have never been to even one Mass, or you weren't paying attenion.
One of many reasons you fail to qualify as an expert on "What Rome Says."
So it is amazing as well as--- to put it precisely --- incredible that you persist in telling Catholics what the Catholic Church teaches, when your batting average on actually grasping Catholic doctrine is at near zero.
Please tell us what *you" believe.
But for the 350th time, do not tell us what we believe.
It is just tedious.
Thank you.
Oh, and you *have* hit 350 errors about Catholicism in one recording period, generously giving you full credit for repeats. Where do I send the coupon for the peach tea?
So; what DO you believe in these matters?
Ahem...
When anybody does that, clergy or laity, gay or straight, male or female, married or unmarried, drunk or sober, closeted or loud and proud, it is a sin. If you don't repent and you receive ANY Sacrament unrepentant, that is another isn on top of the first one.
Called sacrilege.
I seems you, like Pope Francis, may not have quite grasped that.
New recording period. Want to roll it back to 000 and go for first error?
That’s how I read it, too.
In contrast to a eulogy (properly so called: that is, a homily or sermon oration) the celebrant or a relative or friend may express during the concluding rite (GIRM 89) -- not a sermon. The remarks must be brief and under no circumstances can the deceased person be referred to as being in heaven.
We commend the deceased to the mercy of God, which is beyond understanding. That is the purpose of the Liturgy.
Loved ones who wish to speak of memorial serice (not liturgy), prayer service to be held in a home or funeral home, at a commemorative dinner or at the graveside following the rite of committal.
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to clarify.
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Ambrose: …constantly pray ‘Open to us, O Mary, the gates of paradise, since thou hast its KEYS. Anselm: It suffices, O Lady, that thou willest it, and our SALVATION is certain. Antoninus: …souls protected by Mary, and on which she casts her eyes, are NECESSARILY JUSTIFIED AND SAVED. Athanasius: …And, thou, O Lady, wast filled with grace, that thou mightiest be the way of our SALVATION and the means of ascent to the heavenly Kingdom. Bernadine: …all gifts, all virtues, and all graces are dispensed by the hands of Mary to whomsoever, when, and as she pleases. O Lady, since thou art the dispenser of all graces, and since the grace of salvation can ONLY come through thy hands, OUR SALVATION DEPENDS ON THEE.
(Leo XIII: Adiutricem populi, September 5, 1895) — [p. 19, no. 44]
Blosius: To the, O Lady, are committed the KEYS and the treasures of the kingdom of Heaven. Bonaventure: …the gates of heaven will open to all who confide in the protection of Mary. Blessed are they who know thee, O Mother of God, for the knowledge of THEE is the high road to everlasting life, and the publication of thy virtues is the way of ETERNAL SALVATION . Give ear, O ye nations; and all you who desire heaven , serve, honor Mary, and certainly you will find ETERNAL LIFE. She says, "He that shall find Me shall find life, and shall have salvation from the Lord. "Qui me invenerit, inveniet vitam, et hauriet salutem a Domino." Listen," exclaims St. Bonaventure on these words, "listen, all you who desire the kingdom of God: honor the most Blessed Virgin Mary, and you will find life and eternal salvation." "Audite qui ingredi cupitis regnum Dei: Virginem Mariam honorate, et invenietis vitam et salutem perpetuam."-psalt. B.V.ps.48.
Ephem: …devotion to the divine Mother…is the unlocking of the heavenly Jerusalem. Fulgetius: …by Mary God descended from Heaven into the world, that by HER man might ascend from earth to Heaven. Guerric: …he who serves Mary and for whom she intercedes, is as CERTAIN of heaven as if he were already there…and those who DO NOT serve Mary will NOT BE SAVED. Richard of Laurence: Mary, in fine, is the mistress of heaven; for there she commands as she wills, and ADMITS whom she wills.
“The Catholic Church has always and with justice put all her hope and trust in the Mother of God.” (Leo XIII: Encyclical, Supreme Apostolatus, September 1, 1883.) — [p. 32, no. 104]
(Leo XIII: Encyclical, Augustissimae, September 12, 1897.) [p. 68; no. 302]
"Only She Can Help You"
Mary Leads Her Servants to Heaven
The Rosary
Hail Mary, Full of Grace Mary, Our Life, Our Sweetness, Our Hope The historical record of the worship of Mary accumulated by St. Alphonsus de Liguori who wrote “The Glories of Mary” in the year 1745, which has been since translated into English and printed again and again and again with the full affirmation and imprimatur of the official Roman Catholic Church. In this book there is the sum of all the glories of Mary which has been vouchsafe to the Roman Catholic Church and the Church itself calls upon all its constituents to give Mary that honor she is due. She is identified as Mary, our Queen; Mary, our mother; Mary, our life; Mary, our sweetness; Mary, our hope; Mary, our help; Mary, our Mediatress; Mary, our advocate; Mary, our guardian; and Mary, our salvation. It is said that Mary delivers us from hell, Mary delivers us from purgatory, and Mary leads us to heaven. And it should be said that de Liguori, who collected all the Marion dogma and devotion, was himself one of the most celebrated and revered authorities in the Roman Catholic Church. De Liguori was himself a cardinal in life, and a saint in death.
Jesus said "Without Me you can do nothing". In this crisis which looms ahead of us, Our Lady has told us that we need Her help, Her intercession. We must ask for Her help with the Rosary and the Scapular. At Fatima, Our Lady told us very plainly that "Only I can help you". Today more than ever is this so true. Pray the Rosary and sacrifice yourself for Our Lady. I urge you to also make some sacrifices as Our Lady of Fatima asked us. For those who are able, do some fasting. If you can, abstain from meat by eating meat only during one meal a day. Try to do this for two days, even ten days or 30 days. Of course we should abstain totally from meat every Friday.
Jesus and Mary — Our Hope It is so urgent that we reach as many souls as possible before it is too late. Let us be of good cheer and remember the words of Jesus to each of us, "It's never too late to have recourse to Jesus and Mary." That is why it is so important to reach the many millions of souls who do not know this, and who do not know the grave dangers lying in wait for their souls. No, we must never lose hope. Mary is our hope. She can obtain for us what we cannot by ourselves. Read what St. Alphonsus has to say regarding confidence in Our Lady's intercession in "Mary Leads Her Servants to Heaven". Father Manelli also reminds us of the importance of devotion to Our Lady. (See "Hail Mary, Full of Grace"). Our Blessed Mother tells us to turn to Her in confidence. She tells us repeatedly to ask Her intercession through the frequent fervent praying of the Rosary. (See "The Rosary"). She tells us we must pray the Rosary every day. She wants us to pray it many times a day.
http://fatima.org/crusader/cr38/cr38pg2.asp
"Blessed is he whose interior offers the Blessed Virgin Mary a place of repose." Devotion towards the Blessed Virgin remains in all who are the inheritance of Our Lord; that is to say, in all who will praise Him eternally in Heaven. O, how many blessed souls are now in Heaven who would never have been there had not Mary, by Her powerful intercession, led them thither. I made that in the heavens there should rise light that never faileth. Cardinal Hugo, in his commentary on the above text of Ecclesiasticus, says in the name of Mary, "I have caused as many saints in Heaven through Her intercession, who would never have been there but through Her ." ...in the words of St. Ambrose, "Open to us, O Mary, the gates of paradise, since Thou hast its keys." "Aperi nobis, O Virgo coelum, cujus claves habes." Nay more, the Church says, that "Thou art its gate."
St. Antoninus tells us "that this divine Mother has already, by Her assistance and prayers, obtained Heaven for us, provided we put no obstacle in the way."23 Hence, says Abbot Guerric, "he who serves Mary, and for whom She intercedes, is as certain of Heaven as if he was already there."24 St. John Damascene also says, "that to serve Mary and be Her courtier is the greatest honor we can possibly possess; for to serve the Queen of Heaven is already to reign there, and live under Her commands is more than to govern."25 On the other hand, he adds, "that those who do not serve Mary will not be saved; for those who are deprived of the help of this great Mother are also deprived of that of Her Son and of the whole court of heaven."26 23. "Coeleste nobis regnum, suo interventu auxiliis, et precibus, impetravit."—Paciucch. Sup. Salve Reg. exc. I. Cardinal Hugo http://fatima.org/crusader/cr38/cr38pg3.asp
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When therefore we read in the writings of Saint Bernard, Saint Bernardine, Saint Bonaventure, and others that all in heaven and on earth, even God himself, is subject to the Blessed Virgin, they mean that the authority which God was pleased to give her is so great that she seems to have the same power as God. Her prayers and requests are so powerful with him that he accepts them as commands in the sense that he never resists his dear mother’s prayer because it is always humble and conformed to his will.... St. Louis de Montfort, in Treatise on True Devotion to the Blessed Virgin, #27, 246.
http://www.ewtn.com/library/Montfort/TRUEDEVO.HTM
Ambrose, Anselm, Antoninus, Athanasius, Bernadine, Blosius, Bonaventure, St. John Damascene,
Ephem, Fulgetius, Guerric, Richard of Laurence, Father Nicholas Gruner, St. Alphonsus de Liguori, Father Stefano Manelli |
Maybe ther was cruelty, but I don't know that, not having seen even one intolerable sentence verbatim. I'm sincerely interested in whether you've heard a recording or seen a transcript or encountered clobber-quotes in context.
Then just what DID you say?
Please: Tell us what you BELIEVE!
You spito the grave of an obviously troubled 18 year old. What a big moral man you are. I weep for his parents and family.
Perhap; just maybe; if YOU were able to articulate just what you guys believe and maybe even the churches teachings that CAUSE you to believe such-and-such; we Prots wouldn't have to do so much research into the writings of Rome and posting them here on FR.
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