Posted on 09/10/2018 8:20:40 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
One of the most dramatic pieces of evidence for a pre-Columbian crossing of the Atlantic is to be found in a single Latin marginalia, that is some words scribbled into the margin of a book. The sentence in question appears in a copy of the Historia rerum ubique gestarum by Aeneas Sylvius Piccolomini which was published in Venice in 1477. In that work Piccolomini discusses the arrival of Indians in Europe blown from across the Atlantic at a date when America was unknown to Europeans (another post another day). Next to this passage a reader has written in Latin the following extraordinary words:Homines de catayo versus oriens venierunt. Nos vidimus multa notabilia et specialiter in galuei ibernie virum et uxorem in duabus lignis areptis ex mirabili persona...Now our author (of the marginalia) was in Ireland sometime in the 1470s or perhaps the very early 1480s. He then inserted this sentence in his copy of Piccolomini sometime after 1477 and probably in the early 1480s: he certainly wrote in the book in 1481. He had clearly, while in Ireland, seen a man and a woman who he believed had been blown across the Atlantic from China and who had arrived on a strange looking boat...
The Gulf Stream washes up American plants, American animals and American driftwood on the shore of south-western Ireland. Why couldn't the Gulf Stream wash up an Amerindian vessel? ...
...the author of the marginalia is remembered by history as Christopher Columbus. He was most likely in Ireland in 1476-1477 on a sailing trip to the north. This accidental encounter with a Amerindians (or Chinese as he believed) was to prove an important moment in his life. And years later his son recalled the episode in his father's autobiography...
(Excerpt) Read more at strangehistory.net ...
Two Irishmen walk out of a pub..
Hey, it could happen.
Any chance the Solutreans and the Basque are the same folks?
Could the eastern US tribes be at least in part remnants of Basque that were pushed out by the Indo-Eurpoers?
Lol... that was awesome
That's interesing, I don't believe the Basques were in Iberia when the Romans conquered it. The Solutreans were however in western Europe (and on the continental shelf, now submerged) between 23,000 and 16,000 BC; there's a gap between their *known* presence there and the apparent rise of a similar stone age toolkit in eastern North America. But again, at least part, and probably most of their development was on the continental shelf.
Doggerland?
Undoubtedly the Hekawi Tribe.
So now she claims she’s part Irish?
Some of the more famous ones, or at least the ones history has 'written' down. Otokichi certainly had a interesting life. He reminds me of Cabeza de Vaca.
Japanese Castaways of 1834: The Three Kichis
Monument to the Three Kichis, Fort Vancouver, Washington, 2009
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Otokichi yah yah yah... [/singing]
Thanks Theoria!
Not sure how they'd survive but I imagine it could. I was in Ireland myself once and noted that on the coast I visited, there were palm trees. It was cold. I asked how this could be and I was told "the gulf stream terminates here, it brings up warm water so the trees survive." I don't really understand how that works because as I said, the air was darned cold. But regarldess, they were certainly there so they do in fact survive. If the gulf stream runs right to Ireland, yeah, it seems it could carry a boat there but like I said, could the sailors survive the trip?
That's the North Sea now, but at least one skull has been brought up by fishing nets. :^)
I think the upshot is, they were dead when they washed up. True about the palm trees; the stream keeps the temperature stable, even if it's cold. The ag zone here is 5, and yet, along the Lake Michigan shoreline it is zone 6. It always feels significantly colder there though, in the winter.
Irish St Brendan the Navigator is said by some to have traveled to the Americas in the dark ages. There is a well known manuscript from no later than 900AD describing the voyage he took seeking the garden of Eden and how he encountered several unknown islands that some speculate were real and are islands along the northern passage to Iceland, Greenland and possibly beyond. If so, why couldn’t it work the other way, albeit via a more southerly origin in the Americas than St Brendan would have likely ever seen.
Occasionally a Skraeling would wash ashore in Ireland
LOL!!!!!!!
But, I want you to know, I'm quite the man, didn't spill a drop.
That church is Rosslyn chapel in Scotland, commissioned by Sir William St. Clair/Sinclair. The corn/maize bas reliefs are only one of many very interesting things about the chapel.
https://www.rosslynchapel.com/visit/things-to-do/explore-the-carvings/
Reminds me of some of Frederick Remington’s observations about the Mandan peoples, with whom he lived for a couple of years. Seems a lot of words in the Mandan language are very similar to Welsh and the Mandan peoples, unlike other American Indian tribes, built their villages on peninsulas protected by water, in much the same manner as the early Welsh. (See Madoc/Madog ab Owain Gwynedd, a Welsh explorer who, according to legend, sailed west from Wales in 1170.)
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