Posted on 04/08/2018 7:30:03 AM PDT by Eagles Field
It’s 1864, The South has won the Civil War. How does this change the pages of history?
Spike Lee has a movie like this.
CSA. Watch it. It’s kinda funny. Of course it paints all white people as horrible animals, but it’s target audience has no problem doing that.
At the end, they play the racist commercials. It’s very ey opening and should be watched by younger folks.
With no United States to intervene, Germany wins the First World War. Having seized all the colonial possessions of a beaten France, and some significant ones from Britain, such as India and much of Africa and China, they become the world empire they desired. By the 1930s they have bought enough prestige that most of Latin America is essentially German protectorates, and a controlling majority in the corrupt Yankee United States Congress is permanently in the Kaiser’s pocket. Since they bought a lot of their oil from Texas, the German Empire signed a mutual defense treaty with the Confederate States around 1924. Pax Germania reigns for about a century, when a dispute over the succession sets the world ablaze.
Well at least there would have been no Hitler.
-PJ
Imagine that George McLellan, a Democrat, wins the Presidential election through voter fraud (realistic so far, eh?).
He declares an immediate cessation to the war, and withdraws all Union troops to the pre-war Union states. Both sides remain bitter over the war, and especially the South, since the war has been fought primarily on their soil and has caused immense destruction, even by the end of 1864.
Many in the North press for resumption of the war, and private militias are raised for the purpose of harassing the South. The South, nearly broke and trying to rebuild its economy, has no one willing to lend it money to do so (think of the Marshall Plan after WW II). Weakened economically and militarily (which are the same thing, really), it becomes embroiled in multiple defensive actions against the British, who never got over losing their colonies, and who still want cheap Southern cotton for their mills, the Mexicans, who want Texas back, and the Northern private militias.
The South eventually falls, and is split into multiple countries by whomever happened to control the fragments of the territory at the time. This would lead to multiple countries existing in what is now the Continental US, all of them in conflict.
Skipping ahead to WW I, the remaining "US" never enters WW I because it is too small in population and resources to fight in that war, and because of the ongoing conflicts on its own continent. The Germans, in their last push of the war, over run the French / British, and claim a large part of France (primarily Alsace Lorraine) as theirs. Hitler never emerges, and all of Europe eventually fights united against Stalin, but with a much smaller, weaker Soviet Union confined to its own territory (Russia).
Of course, I've left out a few details. :-)
There would have been a second war within 50 years. Slavery was on the out due to public opinion and technology, so that issue would have been resolved, but foreign interests would have swayed both sides. Each side was far too weak to resist foreign influences.
The South wins the Civil War. What about the wars that would follow? Would they continue to beat the United States?
I don't know how plausible it was but losing is losing regardless of how long the war lasted. The losing side would be bitter about it.
The U.S. or the Confederacy. Having rebelled, allegedly about "state's rights" how long would they have put up with orders from Richmond?
What on earth would have compelled the to reunite? What would it have taken for the U.S. to reunite with Great Britain after having won our independence?
McClellan would have taken office in March 1865. Do you really think the U.S. would have surrendered given where the war was at that time?
Germans win World War I. No World War II. No Nuclear bombs. Most of the killing in the 20th century doesn't happen.
Southern Confederacy eventually acquires the border states, the territorial states, and eventually acquires the rest of the Union. Charleston becomes the major center of Finance for the Nation instead of New York.
It wouldn't have occurred, because the USA would not have intervened in World War I, and Germany would have won it. Hitler would have never came to power.
Why would the USA not intervene in WWI? Because as two different countries, it wouldn't have had the military might that it possessed in our time line, and would have been much more shy about getting involved in such a conflict.
No USA intervention, No Hitler coming to power.
I believe this scenario would have persisted for awhile, (long enough to keep us out of WWI) but I predict the Southern Confederacy would have first acquired all the border states, and over time, the territories and eventually the rest of what remained of the United States.
I believe someone had invented a mechanical cotton picker around 1870 or so.
I think this is a good prediction, though I think the USA would have melted into the CSA.
Not all that unreasonable, thought I think you let Germany get farther than they would have.
When the five border states joined them, Yes. The Northern states would no longer pose a military threat to them.
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