Posted on 02/26/2018 12:12:20 PM PST by CottonBall
I’ve been missing the vast amount of information on prepping, survival, camping, simple cooking, the old ways of doing just about everything – all the things nw_arizona_granny knew so much about and shared with us, along with numerous other posters with a vast array of skills and knowledge.
We have our various related-threads here, a recipe thread, a gardening thread, and even a prepper thread. They are all great and I don’t mean to take anything away from those and the hard work their owners put in.
But I was missing a place to talk about ALL those things, to get the camaraderie that we used to have on granny’s thread.
I learned how to can on those threads! The pressure canner was not my friend, I thought, but I bought one and stared at it for a month, intimidated. Then I read the directions for another month. But with the help and encouragement of posters on granny’s threads, I jumped in and now have my very own food storage room in the basement with lovely jars of shelf-stable meats, vegetables, and fruit. When we moved, I fashioned my food storage room – and insisted upon having a basement – from what I learned on her threads. Getting started gardening was from her threads. Making my own cleaning products….the list is endless.
So I thought I would take the chance and start another comprehensive prepper thread and see how it goes. I used to have granny’s ping list since I made one of the threads for her, but alas, with numerous computer changes, I cannot find it. So please pass this onto any posters you think might be interested.
We’ll just keep it running until..whenever. Granny created a new thread at 10,000 posts or so. I do like the idea of having ONE thread to go to – because often I cannot find or keep track of the weekly threads. I won’t be posting lots of recipes or tidbits myself – to any mods concerned about the size of this thread. I’d just like a place to chat, post questions, post ideas, make new prepping friends.
Here are granny’s threads, if anyone wants to peruse them:
nw_arizona_granny’s Thread #1
Shocked to learn of tomato shortage. (Love tomatoes!)
In Marfa/Ft. Davis, Texas there is a very large hydroponics
greenhouse (acres) growing fresh vegetables for commercial
use. Where do they find water for their operation in the
middle of no where? Wells? DH ready to prep by buying multi
bottles of ketchup. Myself, it’s Ragu and canned tomatoes.
We do live in interesting times.
Hi CB....
This is how China has operated for years - social credit system. They’re working on bringing in the Chinese communist control system here. You do nothing, go nowhere, without the consent of the communist party. They can cut you off of anything, anytime....if you have to purchase with digital rather than cash, they have full control of what you qualify to buy, as far as they’re concerned.
Please keep me on this list, CB. Thanks!
Interesting,,,
Thanks!
Hi! I noticed you weren’t on the general ping list I had so I thought I would ping you separately. I’m trying to revive the prepping thread again, yet again! I think it’s needed more than ever.
I’m asking for volunteers this time, cuz I know I can’t be counted on! So if you ever want to take a month or a week to add something to the thread and ping the group that would be fantastic.
You have a lot to offer and a lot that I need to learn.
I’m just using the general list I had before I gave it to you, if you have an updated one we can merge them. I just added one more person today.
You guys are on!
Any information you want to share, please post. I don’t think I could learn too much on this subject, I’ve been rather lackadaisical. ( and I’m glad I’m dictating because I never could have spelled that, lol)
Great idea! Do you want to post it whenever you think it should be done or do you want me to?
So there’s no point even having savings. Although those would get eaten away with inflation anyway.
A nice underground economy will be created.
Honestly, generators are something I know very little about. That’s mr. mm’s department.
I just see the value in them.
As for posting, do you mean as in a new thread, or as a topic in this thread?
Defrost cycles in a freezer are designed to prevent 'ice-up' on the cooling tubes; the ice on the tubes result in increased need for electric energy.
This increased need for more electrical power during ice build up is offset by the intermittent defrost cycle which dumps into an external pan for ambient evaporation.
As I recall, it was FReeper 'Greeneyes' wh made the observation that frozen meats lasted longer, with no 'Frost Burn' in an older freezer that had no "Defrost Cycle".
However, that situation would necessitate periodic, or semi-annual, manual defrost of that freezer to minimize power consumption.
https://www.primalsurvivor.net/fish-antibiotics-humans/
In general, 1-5 years after expiration date if unopened. “Ideal conditions” are mentioned but not explained. I would think cool, dark and dry.
Each batch of each drug in the SLEP program is tested separately, and the shelf life extended for each batch individually. So, for example, for Ampicillin capsules the range is listed as 22 to 64 months, which means the shortest batch was extended by 22 months, and the longest by 64 months. So the mean, or average, extension across all the batches tested by the program was 49 months.
| Category | Drug | Expiration Date Extension (months) | |
| Mean | Range | ||
| Antibiotics | Ampicillin capsules | 49 | 22 – 64 |
| Amoxicillin tablets | 23 | 22 – 23 | |
| Cephalexin capsules | 57 | 28 – 135 | |
| Ciprofloxacin tablets | 55 | 12 – 142 | |
| Doxycycline capsules | 50 | 37 – 66 | |
| Doxycycline hyclate tablets * | 27 | 15 – 91 * | |
| Tetracycline HCl capsules * | 50 | 17 – 133 * | |
| Anti-parasite | Mebendazole tablets | 58 | 28 – 89 |
| Pain relief / Anti-inflammatories | Acetaminophen pseudophedrine capsules | 24 | 24 – 24 |
| Codeine sulphate tablets * | 89 | 16 – 144 * | |
| Naproxen tablets | 52 | 46 – 62 | |
| Heart drugs | Enalapril maleate tablets * | 34 | 27 – 42 * |
| Stomach drugs | Cimetidine tablets | 67 | 59 – 75 |
| Respiratory drugs | Albuterol inhalant** | – | – |
| Guaifenesin ER tablets | 85 | 39 – 122 | |
| Emergency drugs | Atropine sulfate autoinjector* | 57 | 12 – 135 * |
| Diazepam autoinjector* | 63 | 12 – 100 * | |
| Eye ointments | Sulfacetamide eye cream * | 39 | 35 – 44 * |
| Neomycin, polymixin B, bacitracin eye cream* | 79 | 21 – 115 * | |
| Skin medication | Aluminium acetate tablets* | 52 | 16 – 70 * |
| Povidone-iodine ointment | 65 | 35 – 134 | |
Table adapted from Lyon et al. 2006
* Some batches (<50%) failed and could not be extended, or failed on repeat testing. Reasons for failure included failing chemical analysis, and changes in texture or appearance.
** No batches of this drug could have their shelf life extended.
These expiration date extensions make a big difference to the usable time of a drug. To take Ciprofloxacin as an example: the licensed shelf life is 3 years, and as a result of the SLEP program the shelf life was extended by an average of 4 years, giving a total shelf life of 7 years. Even the batches that were granted the shortest extension still received an additional year on top of the licensed shelf life.
https://www.askaprepper.com/the-real-expiration-date-of-common-drugs-in-your-cabinet/
https://www.askaprepper.com/how-to-store-your-drugs-for-an-extended-shelf-life/
Both articles above play it pretty safe but that's not a bad thing. Looks like antiotics are all pretty safe for 3-5 years in a cool, dark, dry place. Second article mentions a 'medicine box' with dessicant used. I would think an ammo box would be ideal. Since an ammo box has seals and you's ideally be using dessicant, a nice cool basement should work. Maybe bring the box upstairs once a year on a day with low humidity and put fresh dessicant in it and then bring it back down to the basement.
Manually defrosting a freezer is a pain depending on how big it is, that is true.
We have a chest freezer that we defrost once a year on the coldest nights of the winter. We put everything in coolers and stick it out in the cars overnight to keep away any potential critters, and give the freezer a good cleaning and let it dry.
We then repack it and rotate stock so we use the oldest stuff first.
Penicillin is something that definitely goes bad after its expiration date. It is one medication that is not worth trying to store as bad penicillin is dangerous to take.
Another med that doesn’t have a great shelf life is thyroid medication.
I noticed the _____cillin were the lowest of all antibiotics.
As a topic in this thread. One of the weekly topic thingies. Yeah I don’t know much about electricity other than I like it. We got a pretty cool generator from costco, it can use three types of power. I think we are using the Natural Gas version. But that’s all I know, like you, it’s not my domain.
Wow, thank you for all your research!
Cool dark and dry sounds like my basement, as long as I put everything in mylar.
Do you see any advantage to getting rid of oxygen?
That’s great to have the individual antibiotics tested. You are a wealth of knowledge!
I’m going to copy that and put it into my medical files. And then like Northwest granny always talked about, I need to print them out and put them in binders. All I did was buy the binders and create the tabs!
We have a chest freezer that we defrost once
a year on the coldest nights of the winter.
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We all had a chest type back in the day, 40/50s.
Had empty them out and defrost/get the ice out.
Then reload making sure you got the oldest on top.
interesting...
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