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Wealthy exodus to escape new tax rules worries California Democrats
Sacramento Bee ^ | 1/18/2018 | ADAM ASHTON

Posted on 01/18/2018 6:35:38 PM PST by Beave Meister

The Republican-backed federal tax bill flipped the tables on a never-ending question for California politicians: Will high taxes lead the state’s wealthiest residents to flee the Golden State for the comparable tax havens of Florida, Nevada and Texas?

Republicans reliably raise that alarm when Democrats advocate for tax increases, like the 2012 and 2016 ballot initiatives that levied a new income tax on very high-earning residents.

But now, with the federal tax bill cutting off deductions that benefited well-off Californians, the state’s Democrats suddenly are singing the GOP song about a potential millionaire exodus.

“People with higher incomes pay a lot more money, and some of them may be tempted to leave,” Gov. Jerry Brown said when he unveiled his 2018-19 budget proposal last week. “This was an assault by the Republicans in Congress against California.”

That fear animates Senate President pro tem Kevin de León’s bill that would allow California residents to write off their state taxes on their federal returns as a charitable deduction, as well as other proposals that Assembly leaders have hinted they’re preparing to offer. De Leon’s bill cleared a second committee this week and is on its way to a vote on the Senate floor. Trump administration officials say it won’t pass muster with the IRS.

Democratic state lawmakers are worried because California relies so heavily on the income taxes it collects from high earners to fund government services. The state’s wealthiest 1 percent, for instance, pay 48 percent of its income tax, and the departure of just a few families could lead to a noticeable hit to state general fund revenue.

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To: seawolf101

Gas is hire in reno


21 posted on 01/18/2018 7:02:19 PM PST by Reno89519 (PRESIDENT TRUMP, KEEP YOUR PROMISES! NO AMNESTY AND BUILD THAT WALL.)
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To: Beave Meister

22 posted on 01/18/2018 7:04:30 PM PST by Bobalu (12 diet Cokes and a fried chicken...)
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To: Beave Meister

In the long game, this will end up being a good thing for the taxpayers of California. It’s going to be painful though. Feet to the fire you (Cali legislators) leftist scum!


23 posted on 01/18/2018 7:04:34 PM PST by semaj (U\)
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To: Beave Meister
Re: Wealthy exodus worries California Democrats

Why? Are they afraid that millions of Hispanics and Asians will start voting for Republicans?

LOL!

That’ll be the day!

I thought California Democrats would be ecstatic.

Is this not the final step in every Leftist revolution?

The wealthy and most productive citizens flee, followed by the imposition of a police state to control every thought and action of the feckless drones who are left behind.

24 posted on 01/18/2018 7:06:51 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: semaj
Step 1: Drive the "makers" out.

Step 2: Replace them with "takers?.

Recipe for success.

25 posted on 01/18/2018 7:08:16 PM PST by bagster (Even bad men love their mamas.)
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To: Bobalu
Gov. Moonbeam is having toll booths erected at the border so the rich don't get away unscathed:


26 posted on 01/18/2018 7:09:25 PM PST by FirstFlaBn
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To: RightGeek
If the charitable contribution is mandatory, it is not a charitable contribution. If it is not mandatory, very few people (even in CA) will do it.

And if you get something of value from your "charitable" contribution, like football tickets for a contribution to a college then it doesn't count as a charitable contribution. So if you get a state tax credit for the entire amount of the contribution it isn't a charity so no deduction for you.

Maybe California could just build a wall to keep rich people in.

27 posted on 01/18/2018 7:09:46 PM PST by KarlInOhio (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: Beave Meister
I hear New California may become a reality. So, the super-rich remove themselves.

How is NA (cuz NC is already taken), how is NA gonna be able to pay for all their crap? Increased taxes on the rich? Oops!

28 posted on 01/18/2018 7:09:57 PM PST by Slyfox (Not my circus, not my monkeys)
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To: bagster

It will serve to force these politicians to rethink their positions on taxes and social welfare policies. Like I said, it will be a painful lesson.


29 posted on 01/18/2018 7:11:13 PM PST by semaj (U\)
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To: american_ranger

Build The Wall!

...to keep them in...


30 posted on 01/18/2018 7:15:05 PM PST by castlebrew (Gun Control means hitting where you're aiming!))
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To: KarlInOhio

Beat me to it.

Great minds thinking alike... ;)


31 posted on 01/18/2018 7:17:16 PM PST by castlebrew (Gun Control means hitting where you're aiming!))
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To: seawolf101

And they want to tax Space launches (Mojave airport, and Vandenburg).


32 posted on 01/18/2018 7:18:51 PM PST by Scrambler Bob (All posts are /s, unless otherwise specified.)
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To: Reno89519

hire, or higher????


33 posted on 01/18/2018 7:19:55 PM PST by Scrambler Bob (All posts are /s, unless otherwise specified.)
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To: Beave Meister

With the far cheaper cost of living in Texas, the wealthy Californians can take a lot of vacations to California and still be way ahead.


34 posted on 01/18/2018 7:27:40 PM PST by WASCWatch
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To: Scrambler Bob

Your pick


35 posted on 01/18/2018 7:29:40 PM PST by Reno89519 (PRESIDENT TRUMP, KEEP YOUR PROMISES! NO AMNESTY AND BUILD THAT WALL.)
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To: Beave Meister
We moved to AZ from CA and got an immediate 7% reduction in state income tax.

Lots of us here in AZ, to the dismay of many Arizonans

36 posted on 01/18/2018 7:31:28 PM PST by Michael.SF. (Women who are 25 pounds overweight tend to live longer than the men who mention it.)
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To: american_ranger
California should just pass a law that prohibits people from moving out of the state.

Or follow the lead of the their pals and build their own wall to keep its people in.

37 posted on 01/18/2018 7:36:21 PM PST by libertylover (Kurt Schlicter: "They wonder why they got Trump. They are why they got Trump")
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To: Beave Meister

at the state property tax rate say 1.18% of purchase price the property tax used to be totally deductible.

If you stay in your 20 million Every Hills mansion it still is totally deductible. But if you move up to Beverly hills and buy 20 million then about 23,000 is the tax and only 10,000 is deductible. So no break on the 13,000 additionally. If your tax rate is 37% you pay federal on the 4500 or so.

There are 9 figure estates in california so you can do the math on say 100 million.

This is the difference for wealthy people. 10,000 in property tax is abut a 850,000 home here.

I see a slight impact on the high end market. If you watch Million Dollar Realtors on H&GTV those are the agents who may have slight downturn in business.

If you have a few billion it probably doesn’t matter much.


38 posted on 01/18/2018 7:36:59 PM PST by morphing libertarian (Build Kate's Wall)
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To: Linda Frances

They have been for years. Look at Colorado.


39 posted on 01/18/2018 7:39:46 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common any more.)
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To: american_ranger
"California should just pass a law that prohibits people from moving out of the state."

Exit tax....make it to expensive to leave.

40 posted on 01/18/2018 7:43:38 PM PST by blam
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