Posted on 11/29/2016 4:33:59 PM PST by BobL
Maybe it's time we wake up a bit. 1) Trump won by narrow margins in 3 states. 2) Podesta came out and said it's not over 3) Hillary and Obama soon after came out and said it is over 4) We were all happy and figured the rest of the effort to get Trump into office was just a formality 5) We stop worrying about watching the ballots and the machines 6) The Dems go dark, nothing from Hillary, Podesta, Obama questioning the election 7) Stein files for recount, we all (me included) say it's just a joke, a fund-raising scheme...and she raises lots of money. 8) Stein gives us soothing words - that she knows that Hillary lost, instead she just wants a complete tabulation, so as to legitimatize the results. 9) Hillary's people join the recount effort 10) No one on our side bothers asking why the Dems would want to 'legitimatize' Trump's victory 11) The big money requests from the state of Wisconsin comes in, we laugh...we told you so, just a fund-raising scheme 12) Stein shuts us up by paying up 13) So our main theory is blown out of the water - Stein/Hillary are serious about the recount. 14) Two more theories left: A: They want to legitimize Trump's victory B: They think they can overturn the results of the election
Does anyone think that "A" is the answer?
If not, is anyone concerned that "B" may just happen? Are Trump's lawyers watching (if so, they're awfully quiet...totally opposite of Bush's lawyers in 2000)? Are RNC lawyers watching? Do we know the chain of custody of all of the ballots/machines?
Finally, if the answers to the above are no, then are we prepared for Hillary to take office?
In WI, it is SOP for progs to 1st go to a Dane COUNTY judge for a favorable ruling. This is the route they took in the recall(s) against Walker and the State Supreme Court election. COUNTY judges do not have final say. Conservatives are the majority in the State Supreme Court (because the Ds LOST that recount).
It’s infuriating, but the upside is there is a process and it does favor the truth. Also, I am positive many Dem voters are embarrassed. The liberals among our clientele are very quiet.
Hillary may be thinking about running in 2020. She may not be as ill as we thought. She may be getting stem cell treatments or something else that is experimental. But I doubt she is gaining supporters with her behavior.
Stein put up a few thousand less than the quoted $3.5M and then the State said the total would likely be closer to $3.9M. This doesn’t factor in the lawyers and court costs.
This is just for retabulation. I heard more like $10M-$12M just for WI if they go for a hand recount.
From Detroit News: “In cases where a recount is not automatic, “an opposing candidate,” such as Trump, “may file objections to the recount petition.”
I live in PA and I know these Democratic snakes. They do things and nobody calls them on it. Happens all the time. They make it so you can’t fight the people calling the shots behind the scenes.
The Dems hang at parties and convince themselves DT support is 15%. Forgetting in firewall states like WI MI PA it’s 50%+ and 1/2 in the states are PISSED OFF bout this.
Works both ways. Trump’s justice department could haul all their behinds into court.
They are not supposed to add votes, but that never stops the Dems.
C: The electors have to vote on 12/19. If the recounts aren’t done, do they get to vote, if not, then Trump loses those, if he loses all of them he is no longer above 270 so the decision goes to the House of Representatives.>>> every SOS will certify their states before that in i think the week before. IN florida in 2000 this happened.
About 10 p.m. EST on December 12, the United States Supreme Court handed down its ruling to stop the recount.
this year the date is. o believe failure to certify at about this time means none of your states votes count. Time is the enemy of evil.
December 13, 2016
States must make final decisions in any controversies over the appointment of their electors at least six days before the meeting of the Electors. This is so their electoral votes will be presumed valid when presented to Congress.
Decisions by states’ courts are conclusive, if decided under laws enacted before Election Day.
link
https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/key-dates.html
The end game here is to get a recount decision to a favorable judge and appeals court.
Then, appeal to SCOTUS and have it deadlocked 4-4, thereby affirming the lower court’s decision.
All the Dems need is to throw up enough dust to create the illusion of an issue and a favorable judge and appeals court ruling in their favor.
But. The GOP still has the upper hand. Even if a judge awards those states to HRC and is affirmed by a deadlocked SCOTUS, the Congress can refuse to certify those states, creating a case where neither candidate gets to 270 and the House would decide.
None of this will change the ultimate outcome but what it can do is create howls of discord along the way. The point is deligitimacy.
Well, sure, I hope that everyone would prefer to avoid a civil war. I’m just observing that I think that’s what happens if they do somehow succeed in deposing a lawful President, and I don’t think they would win such a thing.
The GOP/Trump need to file lawsuits evertjme these state elections officers or judges change election rules/law post election instead of sit on their hands! They need to kill these recounts if the opportunity presents itself.
The Rats aren’t trying to steal these states for Clinton - they are too far behind in votes. What they are trying to do is keep these states from casting their electoral votes by endless recounts and lawsuits to force this to the house.
I for one do not trust the RINO squishes in the House to vote for Trump; especially when the leftist mob turns up the heat on Capital Hill demanding they give it to Hillary due to her bogus popular vote lead. If these RINO squishes can’t stand up to Odumbo, how are they going to stand up to 100,000+ leftist mobsters that will besiege Capital Hill demanding Hillary?
Better the GOP/Tean Trump lawyers get off their duffs and start fighting not just in the election offices and courtrooms but also in the court of public opinion!!
Good - they need to do that. Anything they can do to stop these endless recounts and lawsuits. The Rats know that they can’t steal these states - Trumps lead is too big. Their game is to keep these states electors for cast their electoral college votes and send this to the House.
I for one do not have confidence the RINO congress will elect Trump if the leftist mobs turn the heat up in them.
This has been a very good thread. Thanks for posting.
“This has been a very good thread. Thanks for posting.”
You’re welcome - I was just trying to WAKE UP our side. As long as they’re counting votes, nothing is assured. I’ll only be happy after the Electoral College votes, for then there’s nothing that Obama and the Dems can do to stop Trump from being sworn in...even if it means the Secret Service escorting Obama and his family out of the White House.
...but until then, there’s a non-zero chance of this thing getting overturned.
“Well, sure, I hope that everyone would prefer to avoid a civil war. I’m just observing that I think that’s what happens if they do somehow succeed in deposing a lawful President, and I don’t think they would win such a thing.”
No, I hear you...we little guys won’t have any say either way if a civil war starts up...but it is CRITICAL to point out that civil wars begin when one side feels they are getting shafted and has NO HOPE of working within the system to correct it.
That’s what the Dems are playing with, if they do somehow manage to steal this election.
“Largest deficit ever overcome in a recount is 700, Hillary needs 140,000 please stop with all this nonsense”
“Of course they think they might be able to do that, but it’s basically an impossibility with Trump’s margin of victory, so why should we care if they want to waste their time and money?”
“You guys really need to stop hyperventilating over this BS.”
“You’ve got a death grip on those pearls of yours, fella!”
Do you guys accept apologies? I vowed to apologize for stirring things up if the recount proved not be a clever Democrat scheme. It wasn’t. You guys were right, it was futile and I AM SORRY! In fact, it worked in our favor, by showing the ‘irregularities’ in Michigan (with one machine in Detroit registering 300 votes, when only 51 ballots were cast). We now have a launching board for all kinds of investigations and finally getting a voting system in place where it’s not so easy to cheat.
In fact I slept a bit better after you guys and others responded to me. My main concern was the ineptness of the Republicans, their tendency to be part of the ‘normalcy syndrome’ which means that if prior recounts never overturned election margins of these levels, then future recounts wouldn’t, and there was no need to even worry about them...just trust the poll workers in Detroit, Milwaukee, and other cities to be honest (LOL). Instead, it seems they got their ‘extra votes’ in prior to recounts and the well was pretty much dry for them once the recounts started. My concern is that hundreds of Democrats, maybe thousands, may very well be facing jail time, and due to that, they had little to lose by going all out in the cheating world...but I guess it just wasn’t that easy for them.
As it was, I was somewhat vindicated today when Texas made a TOTAL SPECTACLE of their Electoral College process. I suspect that they figured since there was never any problems before in getting Electors to support their state, there wouldn’t be this time, even with Trump. IDIOTS. But not surprising to this Texan, considering that we continue to elect a DEMOCRAT to run the State House, even though Republicans have had (and still nearly have) a two-thirds majority there...it really is time for them to either step-up their game, or be thrown out. As it was, Trump only won here by 9 points...and it wasn’t all demographics (after all, Republicans won every statewide race in 2014 by 20+ points), but rather it was the non-stop SNIPING AT TRUMP, by Cruz and others (talk radio, etc.), that nearly cost us the state (and, of course the national Republicans didn’t help either).
But it’s over now...I have no fears of Congress giving the final ok to the results, they know better than to get in the way. And I have no fears of Obama, he’ll either peacefully leave the White House, or the Secret Service will help him out...it is over for him and his bunch, and THANK GOD!!!
This was stressful on so many levels. We were at the edge of an abyss for a year and many thought that it was the end of our Republic. No need for apologies. By the Grace of the Lord, we have been given another chance.
We better not muff this one. The Left will kill us if they can. The D.C. UniParty has been paused, but we have to ruthlessly destroy it!
Thanks. It’s something, ain’t it. I’ll say one thing about the way God works, He leaves our side with a lot of stress.
There was a PBS Frontline show called “Immigration Battle”. It’s from Oct. 20, 2015 and it shows what was going on, BEHIND THE SCENES, in the House to get the Gang-of-Eight bill passed (it already sailed through the Senate). While the votes were there to pass it from the start (i.e., all Democrats and a few Republicans), Boehner, to his credit, demanded that the Hastert Rule apply, and that half of the Republicans support the bill before he would allow a vote. Boehner then got a bitch lobbyist to do the work of rounding up the Republicans (her remarks regarding Republicans at the end of the show made it clear she was a leftist the whole time)...and then, with the help of Frank Luntz’s rigged polls and Luis Gutierrez sweet-talking the Republicans that the only way to remain relevant was to import/legalize 30 million new Democrat voters, the Republicans in the House started falling into line until they had their 51% so the vote could go forward. They were hours from voting on it in June 2014, but Majority Leader Eric Cantor wanted to get a little gnat off his shoulder first, so they held off until his Primary was over...Cantor, of course, lost...and then the committed (idiot) Republicans started peeling off, and the bill was dead.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/immigration-battle/
It’s worth watching. You’ll see a very recent name, Mick Mulvaney, who claims to Tea Party (now in line for Budget Director). They show him literally LECTURING his supporters at a group of his supporters at a town hall as to why we need the Gang-of-Eight. In fact, during the entire 2 hours, never once is the SCREAMING from the base mentioned...I really think they write it off to talk radio and now the Alt Right, and just ignore us - but they couldn’t ignore Cantor being kicked out on his ass.
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