Posted on 03/22/2016 3:16:40 PM PDT by ameribbean expat
Credit: University of Leicester. This model of King Richard III’s grave shows the king’s remains in-situ shortly after their discovery by University of Leicester archaeologists beneath a car park in Leicester in 2012. The model has been generated using Agisoft’s Photoscan from photographs taken during the excavation. If you would like to learn more about the search for King Richard III please visit www.le.ac.uk/richardiii.
Arrogance. Underestimating enemy. Wanting to win big fight before the main infantry column could catch up. LACK OF SCOUTING!
When seeing the ground myself I understood much better. When they rode in on the north side of the river valley from the east they could not see the vast stretch of lodges and he just assumed a normal much smaller village.
He had split the regiment into four different sub commands and they could not reinforce each other.
A lot of inexperienced troops, lack of proper training, friction and rivalry amongst the officers, not respecting your opponents. The blame falls heavily on Lt Col Ego.
Custer was athletic and personally brave and flamboyant but he was not fit to command a regiment in the field IMO.
After the battle the Army sent a real cavalry commander in the form of Ranald MacKenzie with half of the 4th Cavalry up from Texas to help deal with the situation.
Bad Hand was irascible and a hardass but he never lost and tried to keep casualties to a minimum. The guy had been shot six or seven times was in constant pain and bad tempered but he damn sure knew how to soldier. One thing I remember reading was how he made his troopers carry spare ammo on their bodies instead of in saddle bags so that it was always available.
I agree with you. However, I also think that the Henry repeaters helped. The terrain was a big obstacle for Custer and a plus for the Native Americans. Short and sweet. It was a pleasure visiting about this.
Interesting to note that there is a lineal descendant of the Plantagenets who lives in Australia. There was a TV program about him made after the discovery of R-3’s grave.
Yes, he’s the real king of England, isn’t he? Also, of course, there is the Canadian who is a direct descendent of Richard’s sister. He built Richard’s coffin.
You should do some genealogy on your ancestor - that’s very interesting. I’m impressed! Did that side of your family come to America? I wonder if they ran afoul of Cromwell.
I always think Gloucester didn't kill enough of his enemies. If he had taken out John Morton, he would have survived. But he wouldn't go against chivalric codes and murder a priest.
I teach genealogy classes, and it sounds like you may do the same, Let me know if you have any tips, trends, etc., and I’ll do the same.
He would have made a great king and would have strengthened the Plantagenet House against the baseborn Tudors.
I didn’t even know there was a program on the Woodvilles. Not my favorite family. I always loved Richard’s brilliant disarming and arrest of the annoying poet-poseur of the family, Anthony, at Stony Stratford. Tony brought thousands of soldiers to Richard’s 400 while his nephew swiped the treasury and decamped to Flanders. Within something like an hour, Gloucester had secured Edward, locked up his would-be assassins, and frightened his awful sister-in-law into sanctuary.
Then the story of Elizabeth Talbot would surface through Bishop Stillington and the rest is history.
If it was a 100% full match on the first 67 markers, then that would be very remarkable, and lucky.
No, I don’t. But my cousin does and he traced us back to English Jews from Holland originally.
If any of you are interested, there are several brilliant groups dedicated to English medieval history, Richard the Third, on Facebook. Annette Carson, who wrote the best book on Richard in the last 50 years, is a member. She was also a part of the Finding Richard project.
I am a huge Custer fan, lol. I seem to have a thing about charismatic men who lead failed charges! I love R.E. Lee, as well, and his charge (well, Pickett’s) bombed out too.
Interesting, is though, through my own and other's informal research, I have found 100's of ties back to Welsh, English, and Scottish Royalty.
Seemed far fetched, until I realized that this is probably the case for most of us. The poor prior to the 1700's were continuous fodder for wars, disease, starvation, etc. The non-direct kin of nobility filtered down into the "middle class" continuously, in a sad but true form of natural selection.
With that said, getting into the Plantagenet Society is not easy to get into to. One of the best known genealogist in the country G. B. Roberts has what is considered to be the reference guide to those who are eligible. Roberts acknowledges that there are significant amount of people who have a Royal Blood Line, but as in any other heraldic society, proof is needed. In lies the problem. Roberts states that there are only 600 ancestral American immigrants that have the absolute documentation of proof. (The list does grow slowly has his original guide was RD 500, and now RD 600) And in my case, only 3 of the 600 are ancestors of mine.
I am not a PSmember, as SAR is enough for me at this point.
Instead the Brits have Hanoverians and Sax Coburg lineage.
Instead the Brits have Hanoverians and Sax Coburg lineage.
I’ve become quite interested in this subject since watching the documentary on Richard III. It’s also interesting reading the comments on this thread! I hope that, some day, forensics experts are permitted to examine the bones of the two ‘boys’ found at the base of the tower. That would make another excellent documentary!
Thank you for posting!
Most Brits who are interested in history/genealogy blame the Black Death for making everyone in England related to some degree. I notice when ever I watch British tv/films, how often people look alike or remind me of other people. My husband jokes that the English have about ten faces.
And Jackson’s Valley Campagin was awesome. :)
Is it a Plantagenet vs. Tudor thing? :)
I thought The War(s?) of the Roses was Plantagenet v. Lancaster (with "Tudor" being the sorta-merged house that emerged atop the bodies)?
/nitpick
I just want to say that your comments on this thread re: Richard III have been absolutely fascinating. It is obvious that you’ve spent a great deal of time studying Richard and British medieval history...
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