Posted on 02/17/2016 8:49:09 AM PST by pgyanke
Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump bashed the tech company Apple today for refusing to help investigators access the iPhone of a San Bernardino attacker.
"I agree 100 percent with the courts," he said on "Fox and Friends" this morning. "In that case, we should open it up."
"To think that Apple won't allow us to get into her cell phone -- who do they think they are?" Trump said. "No, we have to open it up."
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I heard the interview. Trump never said Apple should “hack” the phone. He said “open it up”. He thinks Apple should provide the unlock mechanism to be able to retrieve the info of a known terrorist’s communications. “Hack” has a negative connotation and its use in the title of this is disingenuous.
Barney Frank will probe the backdoor of Mr. Cook.
“it will make the real bad guys think the phones are super secure and they will use them more?”
Hah; my thought as well!
No way that we don’t have the capability to get into a consumer product like an IPhone.
There are probably 1,200 whiz kids at the NSA alone that could do it in 62 seconds.
“Spare me. Apple to me is taking this too far. The FBI is looking for help with a specific phone tied to a specific crime. Last I checked, that was consistent with the Constitution which requires probable cause for a search warrant. I think there is more than such here.”
Exactly.
Depends what you mean by diktat (spelling corrected). I'm not saying Apple isn't beyond court sanction when they are party to a dispute or have broken the law. I'm referring to the ravings of a court that orders someone not part of a current proceeding into service for that proceeding.
Apple doesn't have ownership of the phone. Apple doesn't have the key to the encryption. They have stated as such. The court has now ordered them to "find a way" or "use your vast resources and knowledge" to help the court crack the encryption. It's an order, not a request. Apple is not subject to such a diktat anymore than you or me if we were pressed with the same mandate.
That's the thing... they don't have that technology. They're being ordered to develop that technology for the government.
If there is a warrant, you cooperate with the police or get jailed for contempt.
There is no warrant. Apple isn't subject to the investigation. They are being conscribed into service to help the government figure out how to solve a puzzle.
Sure... and they did in this case. But when the safecracker says he can't open the safe do you then threaten him with jail time unless he forces his way in?
Maybe because it is one.
The mechanism doesn't currently exist. The government wants to force Apple to make one.
"Hack" has a negative connotation and its use in the title of this is disingenuous.
Not if it's accurate. The means doesn't exist to access the data on the phone. Someone (the government or Apple) is going to have to hack the device.
IF the FBI has a warrant, then Trump is right they should be allowed access to that single phone. It is no different than getting a warrant to go through the person’s papers or a safe that they own.
Did you? Methinks I hit a nerve with you.
It’s apparent, that you don’t understand the technical complexities at play here.
Apple doesn’t want to know your information. Apple Pay for instance, is a one time tokenized transaction, between you and the bank. All it says is pay this merchant X amount from my account. The merchant cannot capture info about you, like he can now with a mag stripe. Neither can Apple.
This is one of the reasons why Walmart and CVS among others have resisted allowing Apple Pay, even though they have the NFC readers already installed. THEY, not Apple, want your information. To use, AND TO SELL!
As for using Apple products, why yes I do. They make well built quality products that work. I spent 25 years in IT futzing with temperamental systems and software, and I’ve grown weary of it.
And if you want to tarnish me for doing so, knock yourself out. You’ll need to include a great number of members of this forum, Rush, and countless other people like us.
As I said previously, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Execute the search warrant. You'll find the terrorist's phone. Apply it to Apple. You will find they don't have the encryption key. So what did the court do? Order Apple to hack the phone for them... and create a potential security breach procedure applicable to all of their devices.
Still, that doesn't mean that it would be easy for Apple to implement a backdoor, or even for the FBI to access the data if Apple does so. As reported, the FBI has merely asked for a workaround that would allow them to brute force the phone--actually doing so could still take quite some time.
And, again, even if Apple could implement the backdoor, I still don't think they should do so, or should be forced to do so. Once that backdoor is out there, it would risk the security of many other phones (I suppose, every phone up through the implementation of the enclave)
Right, but in this case, the manufacturer has developed security mechanisms that are specifically designed to prevent the manufacturer from cracking the safe.
Because then, there wouldn’t be any backdoors. The NSA/FBI/whatever acronym you want have been trying to find a way to make sure that there’s nothing they cannot see. I could kind of understand when wiretaps were a thing, because the physical wires probably crossed public land at some point. But this is an entirely private transaction between a company and a private citizen. I applaud Apple for refusing to do this. This is not about the San Bernadino terrorist - this is about setting a precedent. The FedGov has been looking for a test case for this for a long, long time. This is perfect, because it means we’d be willing to give up permanent liberty for temporary safety (and not even, since they are pretty much done killing).
I’m not going to tarnish you at all. If you want to give to Apple then it is up to you, not me.
They have a warrant and they have access to the phone. What they don't have--and neither does Apple-- is access to the encrypted data on the phone. Trump is wrong in supporting the government's overreach in ordering Apple to find a way to hack the phone.
I am more worried about the terrorists who just killed 14 people in CA. It is their phone we are trying to get information from. Do you get it?
Apple is an enemy of this country if it is protecting terrorists who killed 14 people.
They obviously have a way of doing it according to their President.
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