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Trump Says Apple Should Hack San Bernardino Attacker Phone
ABC News ^ | 2/17/2016 | Ryan Struyk

Posted on 02/17/2016 8:49:09 AM PST by pgyanke

Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump bashed the tech company Apple today for refusing to help investigators access the iPhone of a San Bernardino attacker.

"I agree 100 percent with the courts," he said on "Fox and Friends" this morning. "In that case, we should open it up."

"To think that Apple won't allow us to get into her cell phone -- who do they think they are?" Trump said. "No, we have to open it up."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: 2016election; apple; california; election2016; newyork; sanbernadino; sanbernardino; trump; waronterror
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To: pgyanke

I heard the interview. Trump never said Apple should “hack” the phone. He said “open it up”. He thinks Apple should provide the unlock mechanism to be able to retrieve the info of a known terrorist’s communications. “Hack” has a negative connotation and its use in the title of this is disingenuous.


141 posted on 02/17/2016 11:27:42 AM PST by MayflowerMadam (Romans 8:38-39)
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To: doug from upland

Barney Frank will probe the backdoor of Mr. Cook.


142 posted on 02/17/2016 11:28:07 AM PST by safetysign
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To: Ransomed

“it will make the real bad guys think the phones are super secure and they will use them more?”

Hah; my thought as well!
No way that we don’t have the capability to get into a consumer product like an IPhone.

There are probably 1,200 whiz kids at the NSA alone that could do it in 62 seconds.


143 posted on 02/17/2016 11:36:56 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: dirtboy

“Spare me. Apple to me is taking this too far. The FBI is looking for help with a specific phone tied to a specific crime. Last I checked, that was consistent with the Constitution which requires probable cause for a search warrant. I think there is more than such here.”

Exactly.


144 posted on 02/17/2016 11:51:51 AM PST by Durbin
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To: Responsibility2nd
Regardless of whether one supports or opposes Apple’s decision, you are dead wrong when you claim a company is not subject to court dictate.

Depends what you mean by diktat (spelling corrected). I'm not saying Apple isn't beyond court sanction when they are party to a dispute or have broken the law. I'm referring to the ravings of a court that orders someone not part of a current proceeding into service for that proceeding.

Apple doesn't have ownership of the phone. Apple doesn't have the key to the encryption. They have stated as such. The court has now ordered them to "find a way" or "use your vast resources and knowledge" to help the court crack the encryption. It's an order, not a request. Apple is not subject to such a diktat anymore than you or me if we were pressed with the same mandate.

145 posted on 02/17/2016 11:56:38 AM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: GeaugaRepublican
If Apple has the technology to get it open, it can expose the contents of the communication without turning over the algorithm.

That's the thing... they don't have that technology. They're being ordered to develop that technology for the government.

If there is a warrant, you cooperate with the police or get jailed for contempt.

There is no warrant. Apple isn't subject to the investigation. They are being conscribed into service to help the government figure out how to solve a puzzle.

146 posted on 02/17/2016 11:59:17 AM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: GeaugaRepublican
When you need a safecracker, you call the manufacturer of the safe first.

Sure... and they did in this case. But when the safecracker says he can't open the safe do you then threaten him with jail time unless he forces his way in?

147 posted on 02/17/2016 12:01:13 PM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: GeaugaRepublican
Tim Cook is not making the "we can"t get the information" argument, he"s making the slippery slope argument.

Maybe because it is one.

148 posted on 02/17/2016 12:03:38 PM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: MayflowerMadam
I heard the interview. Trump never said Apple should "hack" the phone. He said "open it up". He thinks Apple should provide the unlock mechanism to be able to retrieve the info of a known terrorist"s communications.

The mechanism doesn't currently exist. The government wants to force Apple to make one.

"Hack" has a negative connotation and its use in the title of this is disingenuous.

Not if it's accurate. The means doesn't exist to access the data on the phone. Someone (the government or Apple) is going to have to hack the device.

149 posted on 02/17/2016 12:05:58 PM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke

IF the FBI has a warrant, then Trump is right they should be allowed access to that single phone. It is no different than getting a warrant to go through the person’s papers or a safe that they own.


150 posted on 02/17/2016 12:06:25 PM PST by Reaper19
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To: manc

Did you? Methinks I hit a nerve with you.

It’s apparent, that you don’t understand the technical complexities at play here.

Apple doesn’t want to know your information. Apple Pay for instance, is a one time tokenized transaction, between you and the bank. All it says is pay this merchant X amount from my account. The merchant cannot capture info about you, like he can now with a mag stripe. Neither can Apple.

This is one of the reasons why Walmart and CVS among others have resisted allowing Apple Pay, even though they have the NFC readers already installed. THEY, not Apple, want your information. To use, AND TO SELL!

As for using Apple products, why yes I do. They make well built quality products that work. I spent 25 years in IT futzing with temperamental systems and software, and I’ve grown weary of it.

And if you want to tarnish me for doing so, knock yourself out. You’ll need to include a great number of members of this forum, Rush, and countless other people like us.

As I said previously, you don’t know what you’re talking about.


151 posted on 02/17/2016 12:06:47 PM PST by AFreeBird
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To: Durbin
Last I checked, that was consistent with the Constitution which requires probable cause for a search warrant. I think there is more than such here.”

Execute the search warrant. You'll find the terrorist's phone. Apply it to Apple. You will find they don't have the encryption key. So what did the court do? Order Apple to hack the phone for them... and create a potential security breach procedure applicable to all of their devices.

152 posted on 02/17/2016 12:08:02 PM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: AFreeBird
All good points, and I think you're right about the enclave being introduced with the 5s. I had forgotten that Touch ID was introduced with the 5s, not the 6. My point was simply that, based on the published reports of the phone being a 5c, the enclave security should not be an issue.

Still, that doesn't mean that it would be easy for Apple to implement a backdoor, or even for the FBI to access the data if Apple does so. As reported, the FBI has merely asked for a workaround that would allow them to brute force the phone--actually doing so could still take quite some time.

And, again, even if Apple could implement the backdoor, I still don't think they should do so, or should be forced to do so. Once that backdoor is out there, it would risk the security of many other phones (I suppose, every phone up through the implementation of the enclave)

153 posted on 02/17/2016 12:09:04 PM PST by zedee
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To: GeaugaRepublican
When you need a safecracker, you call the manufacturer of the safe first.

Right, but in this case, the manufacturer has developed security mechanisms that are specifically designed to prevent the manufacturer from cracking the safe.

154 posted on 02/17/2016 12:09:05 PM PST by zedee
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To: dfwgator

Because then, there wouldn’t be any backdoors. The NSA/FBI/whatever acronym you want have been trying to find a way to make sure that there’s nothing they cannot see. I could kind of understand when wiretaps were a thing, because the physical wires probably crossed public land at some point. But this is an entirely private transaction between a company and a private citizen. I applaud Apple for refusing to do this. This is not about the San Bernadino terrorist - this is about setting a precedent. The FedGov has been looking for a test case for this for a long, long time. This is perfect, because it means we’d be willing to give up permanent liberty for temporary safety (and not even, since they are pretty much done killing).


155 posted on 02/17/2016 12:09:05 PM PST by gryphll
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To: AFreeBird

I’m not going to tarnish you at all. If you want to give to Apple then it is up to you, not me.


156 posted on 02/17/2016 12:09:20 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Reaper19
IF the FBI has a warrant, then Trump is right they should be allowed access to that single phone.

They have a warrant and they have access to the phone. What they don't have--and neither does Apple-- is access to the encrypted data on the phone. Trump is wrong in supporting the government's overreach in ordering Apple to find a way to hack the phone.

157 posted on 02/17/2016 12:10:39 PM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: dfwgator

I am more worried about the terrorists who just killed 14 people in CA. It is their phone we are trying to get information from. Do you get it?


158 posted on 02/17/2016 12:11:20 PM PST by kabar
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Apple is an enemy of this country if it is protecting terrorists who killed 14 people.


159 posted on 02/17/2016 12:12:34 PM PST by kabar
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To: pgyanke

They obviously have a way of doing it according to their President.


160 posted on 02/17/2016 12:13:42 PM PST by kabar
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