New Orleans considers removing Confederate monuments

AP ^ | Dec. 16, 2015 | CAIN BURDEAU

[PROCON]

NEW ORLEANS (AP) -- New Orleans is poised to make a sweeping break with its Confederate past as city leaders decide whether to remove prominent monuments from some of its busiest streets.

With support from Mayor Mitch Landrieu, a majority on the City Council appears ready to take down four monuments, including a towering statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee. Their ordinance has sparked passionate responses for and against these symbols, and both sides will get one more say at a special council meeting before Thursday's vote.

[mumblypeg]

Right. He was before the Confederate secession.
Andrew Jackson >>>Battle of New Orleans, War of 1812.
Seventh President of United States. So his statue, which is the picture postcard of Jackson Square and St.Louis Cathedral, will be harder for the crypto-Stalinist BLM crowd to have removed.
But don’t think they won’t try. Because...slavery.

[DoodleDawg]

Insanity

[catfish1957]

Have made probably 7 or 8 weekend getaway trips in the past 30 years to NOLA. (non-Mardi Gras) walks in French Quarter always were enjoyable.

Guess what NOLA Chamber of Commerece.....

Dollars I will spend there the rest of my life there?.........

$0

[BroJoeK]

rockrr: "At any rate it was John C. Underwood not Chase who was hot to prosecute davis."

The ultimate decision on all these matters lay in the hands of the President of the United States, Andrew Johnson.
Johnson removed the issue of treason trials in three key pardons:

1. In 1867, President Johnson "...issued a proclamation pardoning most Confederates, exempting those who held office under the Confederacy, or who had served in federal office before the war and had breached their oaths."

2. "Johnson sought nomination by the 1868 Democratic National Convention in New York in July 1868.
   He remained very popular among Southern whites, and boosted that popularity by issuing, just before the convention, a pardon ending the possibility of criminal proceedings against any Confederate not already indicted, meaning that only Davis and a few others still might face trial."

3. "On Christmas Day 1868, Johnson issued a final amnesty, this one covering everyone, including Davis.
   He also issued, in his final months in office, pardons for crimes, including one for Dr. Samuel Mudd, controversially convicted of involvement in the Lincoln assassination (he had set Booth's broken leg) and imprisoned in Fort Jefferson on Florida's Dry Tortugas."

Davis was indicted for treason while imprisoned; one of his attorneys was ex-Governor Thomas Pratt of Maryland.[139]
There was a great deal of discussion in 1865 about bringing treason trials, especially against Jefferson Davis, and there was no consensus in President Johnson's cabinet to do so.
There were no treason trials against anyone, as it was felt they would probably not succeed and would impede reconciliation."

Davis in prison:

Johnson -- Lincoln with Johnson campaign poster:

[central_va]

It probably saddens a lot of the Free Republic Lincoln Coven that Lee and Davis were not hanged. They’d have pictures of them swinging nailed to their little dens of inequity.

[BroJoeK]

central_va: "It probably saddens a lot of the Free Republic Lincoln Coven that Lee and Davis were not hanged."

It's important to remember that Lincoln chose Senator Johnson from Eastern Tennessee as an act of reconciliation with the South.
So I have no particular reason to believe that Lincoln himself would have acted differently from Johnson on these matters.

Indeed, the Union took these steps as acts of magnanimity and reconciliation, but today's Lost Causers like to throw them back in our faces as if there were "no crimes committed, no harm, no foul."

Hardly.

[central_va]

They got ole Henry Wirz though....

[rockrr]

Fortunately the lost causers, always an oddity, continue to dwindle in numbers and energy (but not spite).

[central_va]

Well do you wish Lee and Davis had got the rope? Come on give an honest answer....

[BroJoeK]

central_va: "Well do you wish Lee and Davis had got the rope? Come on give an honest answer...."

On March 4, 1865, one month before he was assassinated, President Lincoln said in his Second Inaugural:

"With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on
• to finish the work we are in,
• to bind up the nation's wounds,
• to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan,
• to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations."

I think Lincoln would have done just what Johnson did, in this regard.
I like Lincoln.

[central_va]

You didn’t answer the question. Quit acting like a railroad lawyer and give a direct answer.

[catfish1957]

PC crap at NOLA needs to be met with a 100% boycott on tourism, conventions, Mardi Gras. ETC. Let NOLA become Detroit.

[rockrr]

We’re not like you cva - we don’t burden our souls with 150 year old grudges.

[central_va]

Ok so go on record then.

[BroJoeK]

central_va: "You didn’t answer the question. Quit acting like a railroad lawyer and give a direct answer."

What are you talking about?
Of course I answered it, quite clearly.
I agree with Lincoln's choice of Johnson as VP, and Johnson's choice of pardons for all Confederate leaders.

What I disagree with is Lost-Causers using the Lincoln-Johnson pardons as arguments for "innocence" or "no crimes committed".
In any other country those leaders would have been shot or hanged, but that is not the American way.
But they were pardoned for their crimes, not their innocence.

[central_va]

The question is to you: would you feel it would have been justice if Lee and Davis were hanged?

[HandyDandy]

I personally, would have liked to have seen Alexander Stephens slapped upside the head a few times. Sic semper dirt bags.

Davis wasn't worth the trouble. He was in someone's pocket IMHO.

And Lee? Hanged? Are you out of your cotton pickin' skull? No!

[central_va]

The Lincoln Coven does not have the ability to answer. So I assume they would really like for Lee and Davis to have been hanged as traitors. Shows what kind of creeps these South hating bastards really are.

[central_va]

crickets.

[Protect the Bill of Rights]

Apparently you do.