Posted on 12/16/2015 3:22:25 PM PST by PROCON
NEW ORLEANS (AP) -- New Orleans is poised to make a sweeping break with its Confederate past as city leaders decide whether to remove prominent monuments from some of its busiest streets.
With support from Mayor Mitch Landrieu, a majority on the City Council appears ready to take down four monuments, including a towering statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee. Their ordinance has sparked passionate responses for and against these symbols, and both sides will get one more say at a special council meeting before Thursday's vote.
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Agreed. Speaking of outrages, perhaps New Orleanians have forgotten outrages by New York troops during the occupation of New Orleans. The following is from the New Orleans newspaper, The Daily Picayune, of March 3, 1864 in an article entitled, "Beastly Outrages." Back then, "outrages" was the euphemism for "rape."
The paragraph breaks below are mine for readability. The word "Negro" appeared uncapitalized in the original article, and I report it below as it appeared in the newspaper.
Eleven soldiers belonging to the 159th New York Regiment were tried for marauding and committing outrages too gross for public mention. Of these, two were perhaps 25 years of age, and the others were mere boys, varying from 17 to 20. One of the youngest of these boys turned State’s witness and pointed out those of his companions who were engaged in the outrage; the part he took being simply that of stealing fowls of which he obtained about fifteen.
According to the story of this witness, the young men went to the plantation of Mr. R. D. Darden, in Lafourche, and while he and another of his companions were engaged in stealing chickens from the negro cabins, some of the crowd broke into one of the cabins. Who broke the door in he did not know and what was done therein he did not witness. The inmates of the cabin were a negro of about 40 years in age, his wife, and his daughter, a dusky damsel of 18 or 20 summers.
For the credit of humanity we will suppose that illegal foraging was all that they first intended. When the negro found that his hen house was being despoiled of his pretty chickens, he mustered up a sufficiency of courage to put his head out of the window and beg that a few at least of the brood should be spared to him for breed. Thereupon he was assailed by foul speeches and rude threats; brickbats were sent flying against his windows, and some of them threatened to enter the house and kill the old son of _____ .
Finding that there was a movement to carry these threats into execution, the old negro climbed up into his loft where he could look down on them, as he said, “like a eagle looking down on carrion.†About the time that he got up on the loft the door was burst open and a demand was made for the man who had spoken to them from the window. The women, to shield husband and father, declared that there was no man there.
In an instant the cabin was filled, a light was struck, and as the man was no where to be seen, a purpose more fiendish than that which had induced them to enter the dwelling, took possession of the marauders. The girl was at once seized, and with violence, alike criminal and brutal, they accomplished their fiendish purposes, one after another, in the presence of the father and the mother. They then stripped the girl of her jewelry, ear rings, finger rings, a bracelet, and some of her choicest articles of apparel, as trophies of their diabolical achievement, and having done so, left.
The Judge, in disposing of the case, said that the ringleader, one H. B. Hopkins, should be drawn and quartered, but he would only sentence him to Tortugas for life, there to labor with ball and chain; Jordan M. Lee, a youth who took an active part in the proceedings and stood at the girl’s head with the bayonet at her throat, was sent to Tortugas for ten years; the others were all sent to the same place for three years each. Their names are Henry Dennis, James Lee, D. Rafften, John Thorpe, R. Wheeler, R. Coons, J Horan and H. C. Nelson. J Reil, the boy who turned State’s witness, and G. W. Scoefield, who was proved not to have been in the crowd, were sent back to their regiments.
I posted this article back in 2002. At that time, I looked up the history of the 159th New York Regiment. There was no mention of this incident. There still isn't, but this time I will email the museum that posts online the contents of newspaper articles about this regiment that appeared during the war. Somehow, I doubt they will include the above article.
Chase made known to Davis' attorneys, a distinguished group of northern and southern litigators, his opinion that the third section of the 14th Amendment nullified the indictment against Davis. His contention was that by stripping the right to vote from high Confederate officials, a punishment for treasonable activities had been legislated, so Davis could not be punished again for the same crime.
http://jeffersondavis.rice.edu/FAQs.aspx
At any rate it was John C. Underwood not Chase who was hot to prosecute davis.
I’ll bet some of these ridiculous folks were HORRIFIED when the Taliban destroyed the ancient Buddhist statues.
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Notice the inscription at the base?
Here is more from a different source. NOT the Salmon P Chase source.
http://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/jefferson_davis_s_imprisonment#start_entry
That is what I would do. When I got my truck tag I got one with “In God We Trust” on it to piss off the ALCU and Liberals.
Andrew Jackson was a slaveowner.
Thanks for the info as I recall our good friend 4CJ posted some interesting things about the the occupation of New Orleans under Benjamin Butler that was interesting and rather shocking.
I suppose there are exceptions -- e.g., removing self-glorifying monuments to recently deposed dictators (if hated by a large majority of the population and not of significant artistic merit, possibly a matter of dispute). In general, though, I think it best that succeeding generations preserve public reminders of honored figures of the past, learn the good and bad about them, form their own views of the world, and build monuments of their own. The other attitude at its worst leads to such offenses against art and history as the Taliban destruction of 6th-century statues of Buddha.
Really serious problems -- such as black-on-black violence (and against other races too), dysfunctional families, and failures in the schools -- cannot be demagogued as easily, though, so instead of trying to confront them, we have these cultural purging campaigns (the soft tyranny -- "lite" -- version of the Maoist Cultural Revolution). I expect this sort of thing to go on into the indefinite future. There's no good stopping point anywhere along the line from taking down the Confederate flag at Confederate monuments, to removing Confederate monuments, to changing names of cities and counties that honor slaveholders, to demolishing the monuments of Washington and Jefferson in what used to be called Washington.
I’m told that the people of Louisiana just voted against a Republican for governor because he had visited a prostitute years ago and that he was married at the time.
When will the honorable people of Louisiana be demanding that MLK Blvd in each city that has one change the name? Martin Luther King Jr. also committed acts of adultery with prostitutes.
See how these trends at renaming things can spread?
I’m afraid it gets worse. While shopping for Christmas presents for my 5 young grandchildren I have spent time in several toy stores. I can find the Dukes of Hazzard’s “General Lee”................ But the friggin confederate flag is no longer on it! Ironically, little models of the mini-cooper do have the Union Jack.
Borders, language and culture. The biggest part of our culture is our heritage! Our shared common American Heritage. Beautiful for spacious skies, ugly for other reason, the good, the bad, the ugly all have been part of Our fabric. All of it, every bit of it. There must not be the destruction of any memorial that the people of the time thought enough about to erect. The ***holes who want to tear them down should rather accomplish something for which they can get their own damn friggin memorials!!
Here is the roster of the NY159th Infantry where you can find most of the names mentioned in the Picayune article. There is mention of a Brian Hopkins (p.51) being sentenced to life imprisonment at Tortuga, but no mention of his sentence being revoked and Brian Hopkins is mustered out in Oct. 1865 with the rest of the regiment.
Don't know if that helps your research or not but the NY 159th roster corroborates the Picayune article to some degree. It doesn't look like any of the culprits served their sentences either.
Some states apparently had difficulty enlisting enough men to meet their quota even with the bounty they offered to those who enlisted. I am reminded of an ad seeking enrollees in Mississippi to meet the Massachusetts quota. The ad originally appeared in the Vicksburg Herald newspaper. The date of the ad was not mentioned when it was reported later in the April 4, 1865, Galveston Daily News, which was where I found it. The italics, caps, and spacing below are as printed in the Galveston paper:
RECRUITS FOR MASSACHUSETTS QUOTA!
$625.00 Bounty
$425.00 CASH DOWN
The same bounty and pay to
WHITE OR COLORED RECRUITS.
All get sixteen dollars per month.
Choose your own Regiment or Company.
Liberal pay to agents for bringing recruits to me.
Lieut. Col. E. C. Kinsley,
Ass't Provost Marshall of Massachusetts for the District of Mississippi
Headquarters at Vicksburg -- Office on Washington Street near Clay, over Col. Saunders & Co.'s store.
The bounty was equivalent to 39 months of pay and was probably a big incentive for newly freed slaves in Mississippi, who doubtless didn't have great prospects for earning much money otherwise.
In this Marxist Age, those who fought and gave their lives to resist unlimited government are very unfashionable.
...”raze the French Quarter since the French owned slaves...”
Freed slaves took up residence in the French Quarter, where the became craftsmen, businessmen, courtesans.
It was common practice for former slaves to own their own slaves.
Dirty little secret nobody’s supposed to talk about.
It is breathtaking how quickly we have become the Soviet Union.
Get the airbrush out. There are old photographs, still.
You say that as if things changed.
Start with Southern states memorials- get opulace used to idea - then move onto northern states- next thing you know- no more history except what they want you to see or know
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