Posted on 12/16/2015 3:22:25 PM PST by PROCON
NEW ORLEANS (AP) -- New Orleans is poised to make a sweeping break with its Confederate past as city leaders decide whether to remove prominent monuments from some of its busiest streets.
With support from Mayor Mitch Landrieu, a majority on the City Council appears ready to take down four monuments, including a towering statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee. Their ordinance has sparked passionate responses for and against these symbols, and both sides will get one more say at a special council meeting before Thursday's vote.
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Hello Dawg Brother...
Then it’s up to the people of the State to defend it.
If the city wants to remove the flag, then every citizen who DOES give a damn should fly it from their porch in open defiance.
I realize there are those who don’t care. But those that do should step up and fight back.
this crap is still going on!!!
Well, that is one way to stop Islamic terrorism, and it is second only to stopping the burning of fossil fuels. Outlawing air conditioning will be the straw on the camel’s back.
exactly
Look how abolishing the Confederate flag brought peace to Chicago.
Well, this Yankee stands with the South!
Is Georgia going to sandblast Stone Mountain?
Next up? Revolutionary war memorials because libs say George Washington was a terrorist.
Same here.
I’ll stand with Any American who needs support.
Just like my ancestors.
I'm a Yankee but know some Army brothers from the South who will openly fight this.
Everybody should be fighting this. In case you haven’t noticed this is not just about Confederate flags and symbols. The Marxist and America haters are coming after it all. From the American flag and founders to anything else considered ‘racist’. Time for the white man to stand up.
What people seem to forget is the Confederate officers in the Civil War were still highly respected men after the war.
Jefferson Davis had his bond ($100,000) paid by highly respected men like Horace Greeley and Cornelius Vanderbilt, and eighteen other Union industrialists.
According to an old newspaper article, the reason Jefferson Davis was never tried for treason was that Salmon P Chase, Chief Justice of the SCOTUS, asked the other justices “Can a man who is not a citizen of the USA be tried for treason?” The answer was NO.
Then he asked “Where in the Constitution is it said a person is a citizen of the USA? A person is a citizen of the STATE he lives in!”
The other justices agreed. So Jefferson was never tried for treason.
It was AFTER THIS that the 14th Amendment was passed, defining citizens as citizens of the USA and States.
Sounds very fishy. Didn't the Court decide that the states in question had never seceded? In which case, Davis would have been a citizen of the US. albeit a treacherous and disloyal one.
It seems very unsettling that Southern politicians have broken away from their heritage and embraced this PC madness.
Liberalism is a mental disease, and these politicians are out of their minds.
Public schools ARE the GREATEST threat to our life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. PERIOD!!
Lotta folks on this forum will say otherwise as their priorities are LESS than their kid’s education.
(READ: nice house, new cars, snappy clothes, choice beef, relaxing vacations, housekeepers - on, and on, and on!)
Jackson Square had nothing to do with the Confederacy. It is named after ANDREW Jackson, not STONEWALL Jackson.
“Unperson” comes to mind...
Dallas Morning News Jan 1, 1900. Page 12.
A CELEBRATED BAIL BOND
Instrument which Opened the Prison Door of PRESIDENT JEFFERSON DAVIS.
A HISTORIC DOCUMENT SEEN BY FEW.
(listing the prominent gentlemen who each gave $5000 each {$100,000 total} in GOLD to have Davis released from prison. Horace Greeley, Cornelius Vanderbilt, Gerrit Smith, Augustus Schell, and others)
It Is Given from a Fac Simile Copy Signed By Twenty Prominent Citizens of the Country.
(Bottom of the article)
Salmon P Chase: “Can a man not be tried for treason unless he is a citizen of the country can he?”
“’Certainly not,’ was the answer of every judge.
“’Then Mr Davis can not be tried for treason unless he is a citizen of the United States?’
“’Assuredly not,’ was the again the answer.
“’Can you show me under authority of the Constitution or any law of Congress where any man is a citizen of these United States? The people of this country are citizens of the respective states in which they reside and not citizens of the United States.’
“This position was assented to by the other members of the court and Mr. Davis was never brought to trial, and this led to the fourteenth amendment to the Constitution making the people of the country citizens of the United States.”
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Like I said, the men of the Confederacy were still well respected men after the Civil War. The most beloved General in the USA was not Grant, Sheridan or Sherman, but Robert E Lee.
If his decisions were any indication, Chase believed that Davis had always been a citizen of the US.
However, he may have believed that being stripped of his right to vote by the 14th Amendment may have constituted a punishment to Davis and that further punishment would be double jeopardy. That's one theory.
Political considerations, though, were probably the most important reason why the case didn't go forward.
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