Posted on 04/02/2015 2:21:42 PM PDT by EveningStar
Full title: What would Jesus drink? Experts guess what wine was like in ancient times and what modern ones are similar
Christ was a vintner.
And if you heed the Scriptures, quite a good one, according to the maitre d' at the wedding in Cana. "... the headwaiter called the bridegroom and said to him, 'Everyone serves good wine first, and then when people have drunk freely, an inferior one; but you have kept the good wine until now.'" (John 2:9-10).
In ancient times, wine was precious and revered, mentioned more than 140 times in the Bible. As Easter and Passover draw near, thoughts turn to the vine and curious minds reel.
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You’re the one who thinks the KGB is targeting people re: alcohol, so you answer that question. How the KGB plays into the next two question eludes me further, feel free to explain your own strange position rather than soliciting me to discern & prove it for you.
Yes, I have been to several weddings, but not to any where the wedding reception went on for several days (which was probably the case at the wedding feast of Cana).
Do you know how to calculate how many young people in our country have had their lives irreparably damaged by a single episode of too much alcohol? What is the aggregate effect of the countless bad decisions made on late night college campuses?
The goal of our enemies is to make every man and woman engage in bad behavior for as long possible, and to make decisions that will result in the highest likelihood of adopting a nontraditional lifestyle. This is what cripples us as a nation.
Are you thinking about this a little?
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Would you by any chance be WC Fields reincarnated?
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>> “, I have been to several weddings, but not to any where the wedding reception went on for several days (which was probably the case at the wedding feast of Cana)” <<
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It was a very typical Pharisee wedding. It would have lasted about half of the day, and ended when the groom headed to his house to find his bride.
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Generally white zinfandel, and sometimes a chardonnay or a shiraz depending on my mood.
Do you know how to calculate how many young people in our country have had their lives irreparably damaged by a single episode of too much alcohol? What is the aggregate effect of the countless bad decisions made on late night college campuses?
The goal of our enemies is to make every man and woman engage in bad behavior for as long possible, and to make decisions that will result in the highest likelihood of adopting a nontraditional lifestyle. This is what cripples us as a nation.
Are you thinking about this a little?
You are nuttier than a fruit cake.
Why would you blow a gasket just because I post this interview of an ex KGB agent exposing KGB tactics?
In the interview, Bezmenov explains how the KGB used alcohol to control their political targets.
I really think this is urban legend based on a few fringe believers. Baptists know it is wine. And the reason that Baptists generally abstain from drinking alcohol is they abstain from anything that will lead them into temptation.
If you can’t “drink” alcohol without becoming intoxicated, leading you into sin, then you should not drink alcohol.
Educated Baptists know this.
But it is easier to make fun of what you think they believe than be willing to listen to the real message.
What basis do you have for calling it a Pharisee wedding? There is nothing in John’s account to indicate that any Pharisees were there. If it had lasted half a day, it isn’t likely they would have run short of wine.
The US alcohol problem was this way. It was hard to ship grain from western settlements, so farmers distilled grain and shipped whiskey which weighed a lot less and paid better. When Washington stopped the Whiskey Rebellion around Pittsburgh, something like 5,000 whiskey producers fled to Kentucky territory to resettle and distill. This Rebellion had to do with taxes and the unfairness of forcing people to pay them before their crops were turned into coin. Hard drink was very popular on the frontier and elsewhere. Living was much work, sore muscles, etc. and a drop or two or ten helped kill the pain. It also led to alcoholism, wife abuse, fighting and killing, which eventually led to the temperance movements and prohibition.
Whoah there!!! Don’t get on your high horse now! I have HEARD Baptists and others putting forth that very thing...all in the interest of promoting a teetotaler belief.
You’re shooting from the hip my friend. For one thing, temperance is the rule we all must follow...that I agree with 100%, but to disseminate outright wrong information,like maintaining biblical wine had no alcohol is just plain wrong....and it invites ridicule from the very factions that you would hope to convert.
Maybe I’ve been exposed to a few of those “fringe believers” that you talk of....but don’t you accuse me of making fun of, or ridiculing ANY Christian believers, ok?
Christ once said that there were those who considered him to be a “wine bibber”....so of what consequence would that have been if wine back then was non-alcoholic? Clearly the Bible teaches temperance or just plain outright abstinence from wine. Obviously the Scriptures aren’t talking about unfermented grape juice here.
Not accusing you, you just happened to be the post I finally replied to. Just tired of things being thrown out there as “look how silly those Baptists are.”
And, unfortunately, as happens in all religions, bad leaders can take their flock way off the tracks and make them seem silly and uneducated. Focus us on their naivete.
I have been Baptist all of my life, and I know there are some that say that the wine in the Bible was just grape juice. But, the scripture clearly says wine, and I believe the accuracy of the text, and the needs of food preservation at the time. And I have never been around many Baptists that subscribed to that interpretation.
And, when that falsehood is what is promoted, the real message of control, self-restraint, temperance is missed. And by many not understood.
How can I teach my children to be wise in their decisions if I deny realities that they will easily see through?
I don’t consider it a question. The Bible doesn’t say anything about wine not having alcohol.
The consumption of wine isn’t a sin. Drunkenness is.
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Everything about it was Pharisee. Everything about Judea was Pharisee. The first of Yeshua’s Earthly missions was to demolish the false worship demanded by the Pharisees, and return his people to his Torah.
It was the event that Yeshua chose to demolish the Pharisees’ “washing of the hands” by despoiling their hand washing pots when he filled them with wine.
Each and every miracle that Yeshua did was purposed to demolish one of the Pharisees’ Takanot.
You seem to have an exaggerated vision of how much wine even a wealthy man, such as the groom must have been, might have available. The available land on which to grow grapes in Israel was always limited. The slopes were dry and rocky; only the river valley was arable land.
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I was in Venezuela 3 years ago (if I went back, good possibility airlines won’t be bringing me out) I refused for good reason NOT to drink the local water. Cerveza (Polar) the whole time. It wasn’t just a choice, it was a health mandate. Even locals didn’t drink the water. It could make you sick...or worse.
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