Posted on 01/20/2015 5:45:16 AM PST by Heartlander
What?
I didnt dodge anything. You used a metaphor to make fun of the idea that abiogenesis was separate from evolution. I used your same metaphor to show that even if theyre related, you dont need to fully explain one before you can understand the other. Personally, I prefer the metapor that a pediatrician doesnt need to fully understand conception and pregnancy in order to treat a childs flu, but whatever. If you feel belittled by my using your own metaphor, you have only yourself to blame.
Besides, Im happy to admit that when it comes to the origin of life, we really just dont know. That doesnt invalidate everything we do know about life once it exists, much as youd like it to.
No.
I misspelled it.
And I looked him up. A silly buffoon wannabe Dawkins.
Thank you.
“The above, well, not so much. It seems an abrupt shift in to philosophical polemic.”
No doubt. I’ve been quite infected by Twain and Mencken.
That was Darwins insight, yes, but we now know a lot more than he did. Its been suggested that some traits persist that are neutral because theyre genetically associated with other traits that are positive. For instance, the gene that gives light skin, an advantage in regions without much sunlight, might also increase the tendency to have blue eyes. The blue eyes themselves may not be helpfulthey just come along with a trait that is.
None of that has anything to do with an animal sprouting wings.
Ok, so you Darwinists don’t know how life began, but it just magically began and then the theory exists. Do you even realize what a huge hole to your theory that is?
Name one transitory animal that shows an evolution from one species to another. You can’t even though there should be billions and billions of examples throughout the millions of years of earth.
It is a myth and a fraud to satisfy atheists that God does not exist.
How do you know we dont? Were talking about really tiny things like proteins and RNA strandsthings not even to the level of single cells. There could be lots of those forming every day (and getting eaten immediately, perhaps)how would we ever know?
I realize that youre incapable of grasping simple concepts. No one except creationists are claiming it began by magic, just that once its there, by whatever means, evolution proceeds. Really, its like youre telling the person who invented the smallpox vaccine that theres a huge hole in his theory because he cant explain what causes the disease. Maybe he can't, but who cares? The vaccine still works.
Name one transitory animal that shows an evolution from one species to another. You cant even though there should be billions and billions of examples throughout the millions of years of earth.
There are, but Im not going to play that stupid game. You probably want something like a rabbit with wings or something else that evolution would never predict.
It is a myth and a fraud to satisfy atheists that God does not exist.
Most of us arent atheists, as Im sure youve been told in the past.
Early Darwinists claimed life began in the primordial soup that got hit with lightning and later found that the soup was too hot for life to exist as was the asteroid explanation so you decided to ignore it and just imagine a dog turning into a horse.
Truth is, evolution is a farmers theory that does not hold water. Cling to your way of proving God is a myth with your theory full of holes.
I do admire your faith, I certainly don't have that much.
I’ll answer your question first:
“So do you believe in an ultimate designer for life and the universe? “
No! It’s only my view and I’m only answering your question. I neither expect nor particularly desire for anyone to agree with it.
I’ll address a little bit of your argument just for the discussion’s sake.
“On a logical basis, if there was an infinite past to nature we would never reach here and now.”
What logic would that be? It would be interesting to see it put in the form of a syllogism. But accepting your premise, it would have to reach someplace, and since it has infinitely long to do it, that someplace can be anyplace, including here and now.
Your argument rests on the modern view of time as a thing. Time is actually only the relationship between motions, the other relationship being velocity. Time does not “progress,” or do anything else, anymore than velocity does.
I’m not sure what your point is by, “natural processes cannot create natural processes.” I think the meaning depends on what you mean by “create.” If you mean, for example, man as a natural being cannot create life (perhaps a living computer for example) I totally agree with you. If you mean one natural process cannot initiate another one, the birth of every animal disproves that.
Thank you for the comments.
Now you're just being silly. I don't think I'm more evolved than you, there's no dichotomy between me and Christians (though I'm not sure about "simple"), and I've already said we don't know how life began. You seem to think this is some big stumbling block for the Theory of Evolution, but you're simply wrong.
just imagine a dog turning into a horse.
...which no evolutionist claimed ever...
Cling to your way of proving God is a myth
...and which I have made no attempt to do. You're arguing with cartoons in your own head.
So you cannot answer the question of where life began or the first mutation or any examples of one species evolving into another, but you know it’s true. I admire your infinite faith.
“For instance, the gene that gives light skin, an advantage in regions without much sunlight”
How is light skin an advantage in regions without much sunlight?
How was it determined that this is an advantage?
Faith has nothing to do with it. First of all, I know life began somehow, at some point—that’s obvious. So yes, I believe it’s true that life began. As for what happened after that: I’ve seen enough evidence of evolution (including evidence of multiple species sharing common ancestors, a somewhat more accurate phrase than yours) to have a high level of confidence in the theory. That’s all.
“How is light skin an advantage in regions without much sunlight?”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D
“Ok, so you Darwinists dont know how life began, but it just magically began and then the theory exists. Do you even realize what a huge hole to your theory that is?”
Another big hole:
Evolutionary Theory doesn’t explain why a deck of cards consists of 52.
Interesting link in that it in no way stated or backed up your claim.
Multiple species carrying the same ancestor? What does that mean?
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