Posted on 01/20/2015 5:45:16 AM PST by Heartlander
Beyond this distraction, you now state I know that mind cannot come from anything without mind. So do you believe in an ultimate designer for life and the universe?
“How does the Theory of Evolution address the first occurrence of life?”
It would be a physico-chemical event that is selected due to it’s self propagation.
The idea that evolution doesn’t address the very beginnings of life is not true.
Yes, I know evolutionists of all stripes deny that, but it is 1) a cop out in their part to avoid what they feel is difficult and 2) an example that they don’t understand their own theory or implications of it.
The second is the more important of the two.
It is always said that abiogenesis is outside the theory of evolution.
But the whole concept of abiogenesis is just another iteration on vitalism, which is what evolution was supposedly doing away with.
Excuse my saying so, but obviously the origin of life can be traced to a physic-chemical event. The dispute addressed in this article is whether that event occurred spontaneously or by design.
“Excuse my saying so, but obviously the origin of life can be traced to a physic-chemical event. The dispute addressed in this article is whether that event occurred spontaneously or by design.”
Yes. But that is true of any and all of the changes that occur over time in the theory of common descent.
I am not sure what you are addressing or what point you are making.
I thought you were arguing against what is called abiogenesis being addressed by evolutionary theory.
There appears to be no testable explanation as to how abiotic chemicals “evolved” into molecules, rather than the expression of a belief that such an event must have occurred.
“...decide that the space alien genetic engineering theory can be successfully promoted as an alternative...”
I don’t know if Francis Crick (co-discover of DNA) was a progressive - but that’s what he figured DNA came from.
There are plausible hypotheses.
1. Functional InformationHow could such a system form randomly without any intelligence, and totally unguided?
2. Encoder
3. Error Correction
4. Decoder
What would come first - the encoder, error correction, or the decoder? How and where did the functional information originate?
Furthermore, DNA contains multi-layered information that reads both forward and backwards - DNA stores data more efficiently than anything we've created - and a majority of DNA contains metainformation (information about how to use the information in the context of the related data). The design inference is obvious.
There was a thread on FR a year or so ago about the discovery of another layer, flipped side, - something that was just discovered - which doubled the amount of information the DNA code actually holds.
Found it:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3101450/posts
Nice post. Informed and well presented.
I think in the materialist paradigm the functional information would come first.
The functional information in this view is inherent in the structure.
I believe that the encoder and decoder functions would not be considered as separate and would come third, with the encoder being second, but second not with an encoding function, but with self propagating function.
And in this we are talking about RNA, not DNA.
Your comments about DNA are true and it is amazing. It is even more so with RNA, which is very important in cell function.
Adherents of evolutionism really don’t seem to appreciate the complexity and what I’ll call majesty that life presents.
I wouldnt stake my life on that. "But one of the most prominent young physicists in the world has claimed...life is as inevitable as inorganic matter. The bold new theory suggests that atoms, when subjected to energy, will always form some form of life - and it may mean we are part of a universe teeming with other organisms. More at http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2875874/Life-Earth-wasn-t-luck-development-inevitable-rocks-rolling-hill-claims-physicist.html.
“There is popular common belief that man uses only 10 to 15 % of the brain. But from an natural selection evolutionary viewpoint you would not evolve something that is not used. One or the other should not be true”
And the popular common belief is the one thats not true: Humans Already Use Way, Way More Than 10% of Their Brains - The Atlantic
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/07/you-already-use-way-way-more-than-10-percent-of-your-brain/374520/
(Actually, its not really true that you wouldnt evolve something thats not used. It appears that some traits just come along with other useful onesi.e., if you evolve the useful A, you get the meaningless B.
“And the starting line has nothing to do with the Indianapolis 500.
It has something to do with it, but you dont need to explain the starting line in order to understand who won the race and why.
God only knows.
Look at the Fundamentalists get their panties in a wad as someone points out the biggest hole in evolution. How did it start. You used to say it was a primordial soup until some scientist figured out that was completely impossible. You guys are so amazing with your level of faith in a myth.
The oldest trick in the book, dodge and belittle since you know there is no answer. Just ignore the gorilla in the room while I show you these nice rocks. None of them are of a transitory animal which there should be billions, but look at these nice old rocks to prove there is no creator.
Why don’t you be a real scientist and try to find holes in the theory, there are gaping ones if you bothered to look.
Thanks for that quote from PZ Meyers
I don’t know who Meyers is, but I am glad to hear someone saying what I’ve been pointing out for a while and UN almost the exact same words.
It appears that some traits just come along with other useful ones
that would not fit in to Darwinian evolution theory which I believe favors gradual mutation to a form...not spontaneous new fully functional forms occurring....
You’re saying basically that an animal could randomly sprout fully functional wings just because.....
Or a monkey, could randomly be born the next Einstein ?..
I think you would agree Darwinian evolution has to have a range or scope limitation of the viable mutation there can any given generation?
Else Darwinian evolution would have to encompass the remote possibility of self aware man spontaneously rising from dirt in one step..
And your back to the story of Adam being viable inside Darwinian evolution theory...
So given the atlantic article.. just how much of a brain capacity change is viable within evolutionary theory vs. What they think we use and dont use...
It appears that some traits just come along with other useful ones
that would not fit in to Darwinian evolution theory which I believe favors gradual mutation to a form...not spontaneous new fully functional forms occurring....
You’re saying basically that an animal could randomly sprout fully functional wings just because.....
Or a monkey, could randomly be born the next Einstein ?..
I think you would agree Darwinian evolution has to have a range or scope limitation of the viable mutation there can any given generation?
Else Darwinian evolution would have to encompass the remote possibility of self aware man spontaneously rising from dirt in one step..
And your back to the story of Adam being viable inside Darwinian evolution theory...
So given the atlantic article.. just how much of a brain capacity change is viable within evolutionary theory vs. What they think we use and dont use...
That is exactly right - When did that change? Darwin was wrong, but at least he listed his errata - That is what science does... or used to do anyway...
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