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OK, is ANYONE here really off the grid ?
self ^ | January 3, 2015 | knarf

Posted on 01/03/2015 3:37:59 PM PST by knarf

I got an e-mail that had one of those, "I'm just a regular guy but I've discovered the secret ... " type message ...


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KEYWORDS: alternativeenergy; electricity; energy; offthegrid; solar; wind
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To: Nifster

Not my bag.


121 posted on 01/04/2015 2:35:00 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Baynative

If you’re willing to put up with a warmer kitchen, in order to have a cooler bedroom or cooler shop, great. I’m just noting that it will be hotter wherever you make the ice. The refrigerator will run longer and harder while it’s freezing the ice. Because it’s not 100 percent efficient, it will make more heat energy than you gain in cooling from the ice.


122 posted on 01/04/2015 4:41:53 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (The Stone Age did not end because we ran out of stones)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Yes but you still have to have a guy come out and fill your propane tank.


123 posted on 01/04/2015 5:42:11 AM PST by Mercat
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To: MV=PY

Line losses are from the resistance. It creates heat. What would be losses for a motor turning are contributions to heating in this case.

Light - In a heating element, this nearly all infrared, contributing to the heat. There is some minimal visible light, but not a reasonably measured amount in terms of energy loss.

Oxidation? Electrons forming chemical bonds come from the atoms being bonded, not outside sources like the power supply. Even this is extremely very small, to the point of not being measurable amounts of energy or the heating element would be gone nearly immediately.


124 posted on 01/04/2015 5:48:48 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Revel
Yet what about the small magnetic field that is generated since it is AC.

If the field does not do work, it is not going to "consume" energy any differently than the electric field. As for 0.000001% inefficient, I'll save the arguments for the sake of arguing to others.

125 posted on 01/04/2015 5:51:44 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: PIF

nor mine either


126 posted on 01/04/2015 6:32:50 AM PST by Nifster
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To: Yosemitest

BookMark


127 posted on 01/04/2015 6:46:54 AM PST by thesearethetimes... (Had I brought Christ with me, the outcome would have been different. Dr.Eric Cunningham)
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To: Nifster

Oh well ... I’m too old to learn that new trick ...


128 posted on 01/04/2015 6:50:38 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Nifster

Oh well ... I’m too old to learn that new trick ...


129 posted on 01/04/2015 6:50:38 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: thackney

Thanks FRiend. That is all true, of course.

I was just having fun. I seem to have stirred up the engineers!


130 posted on 01/04/2015 7:19:21 AM PST by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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To: caww

Check Arctic Fox outdoor woodburners,also Fire Chief makes several sizes.We heat our 3500 square foot Victorian farmhouse with the 2200 series Fire Chief model,forced air instead of water boiler type.They should work for any type of house,people even heat their workshops with them.In 7 years of use I estimate we’ve saved 25K in heating bills with ours.


131 posted on 01/04/2015 7:25:06 AM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: norwaypinesavage

What ever you say. All I know is what I experienced. The next time I freeze some plastic soda bottles I’ll listen to see if the fridge is running extra hard or extra long. It seems to me that unlike the food box that gets opened a lot, the freezer drawer pretty much stays the same temp. But hey, you’re the scientist.


132 posted on 01/04/2015 7:34:08 AM PST by Baynative (Did you ever notice that atheists don't dare sue Muslims?)
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To: Yaelle

Sitting on my boat in Ventura now. It has been cold the last couple of nights and the heater has been on. During the day? Fabulous!!


133 posted on 01/04/2015 8:03:54 AM PST by sheana
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To: mrsmith
My electric comes from hydro electric my kilowatt charge is 0.0612 for the first 3000kw. The delivery charge per kw is an additional .0371.

Also on my bill are some very small charges for removal of dams in my state. Very confused, isn't hydro generated electricity green? Apparently not green enough for the environmentalists in my state.

134 posted on 01/04/2015 8:16:13 AM PST by thirst4truth (Life without God is like an unsharpened pencil - it has no point.)
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To: huldah1776

Bmp4L8R


135 posted on 01/04/2015 8:44:51 AM PST by huldah1776
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To: central_va

“I can tell you one thing, the people that generate electricity are not worried about their jobs in the least.”

Not true. Hubby works in a power plant and 25% of the workforce will be laid off next week.

The carbon credits the plants have to pay are the culprit. Along with all the other EPA, OSHA, NERC, etc. regulations.

Energy costs will ‘necessarily’ skyrocket, but it’s due to government interference (fascism).

Hubby’s plant is gas, but workers in coal plants are especially vulnerable. Obama’s plan is to shut those down completely. I’d watch for brown outs and blackouts eventually, as plants go bankrupt and offline.


136 posted on 01/04/2015 8:55:41 AM PST by Hardens Hollow (Formerly yorkiemom. I couldn't find Galt's Gulch, so created our own Harden's Hollow. Join us!)
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To: thackney

When the changing field penetrates the metal case of the heater then it will induce a current in it. Thus...Work.


137 posted on 01/04/2015 9:36:02 AM PST by Revel
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To: caww

“I can’t agree....”

Maybe the laws of physics don’t apply in your home.


138 posted on 01/04/2015 9:38:40 AM PST by Revel
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To: PieterCasparzen

Close!


139 posted on 01/04/2015 10:03:51 AM PST by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: norwaypinesavage

“If you put the refrigerator and “redneck air conditioner” in a perfectly insulated room, the room temperature would go up, not down.”

‘Cept most rednecks have their freezers outside, on the porch, next to the dog.


140 posted on 01/04/2015 10:06:27 AM PST by Justa
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