Posted on 01/02/2015 6:32:36 AM PST by SeekAndFind
Plain old bad luck plays a major role in determining who gets cancer and who does not, according to researchers who found that two-thirds of cancer incidence of various types can be blamed on random mutations and not heredity or risky habits like smoking. The researchers said Thursday that random DNA mutations accumulating in various parts of the body during ordinary cell division were the prime culprits behind many cancer types.
They looked at 31 cancer types and found that 22 of them, including leukemia and pancreatic, bone, testicular, ovarian, and brain cancer, could be explained largely by these random mutations — essentially biological bad luck.
The other nine types, including colorectal cancer, skin cancer known as basal cell carcinoma, and smoking-related lung cancer, were more heavily influenced by heredity and environmental factors like risky behavior or exposure to carcinogens.
Overall, they attributed 65% of cancer incidence to random mutations in genes that can drive cancer growth.
"When someone gets cancer, immediately people want to know why," said oncologist Dr. Bert Vogelstein of the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine in Baltimore, who conducted the study published in the journal Science with Johns Hopkins biomathematician Cristian Tomasetti.
"They like to believe there's a reason. And the real reason in many cases is not because you didn't behave well or were exposed to some bad environmental influence, it's just because that person was unlucky. It's losing the lottery."
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Why in the world would I do something like that?
I regret that I've been so unclear expressing myself that you would leap to such a conclusion based upon my posts.
Yes, because you don't know if they are true or valid and can put a load of guilt on someone that cannot handle it or for whom it does not apply.
Good point.
Lol! Thanks for the laugh!
Yes, because you don't know if they are true or valid and can put a load of guilt on someone that cannot handle it or for whom it does not apply.
What are you responding to? Which warnings are you referring to, the medical profession's warnings or the legal professions warnings?
Never mind. All my past head traumas and brain damage obviously have my brain moving too slowly to keep up with you.
Cheers!
Cancer's been around forever.
Yours.
Right here on FR.
Telling people that their state of health is due to sin in their lives.
bump for later.
I shall download the book. Thank you .
I'm really not following you and am not sure I can, so...
As a rhetorical question, with regards to "their state of health" what specific examples did I refer to and why?
Fwiw, I spend my evenings in a full time care/assisted living facility, memory care unit, etc. and by the end of the evening I'm ready for a break and a return to "normalcy", so to speak. Cheers!
You made it clear that people get sick based on bad choices. Indeed that is proven. Cancer is a bit more complex than eating too much pumpkin pie or processed meat.
Would you do me a favor and please refer to specific quotes of the things I said in this thread to support your quoted statement, so that in the future I will be better able to express myself more clearly.
It would be helpful if you would please cite the specific examples of "get sick" that I was referring to and the "bad choices" that I was speculating about.
Thank you!
Remember that, "He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous."
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As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”
“Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him.”
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Jesus also said, "Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way? I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish. Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.”
Perhaps you can help my understanding? From what I've read, sin is sin, no real levels to them from God's point of view other than blasphemy. You can break any of the Ten Commandments and breaking one is as bad as another?
Setting Scripture aside for a moment, from a practical point of view, and even without a Scriptural understanding of God's point of view, I've noticed the "attitude of gratitude" and having a positive outlook generally results in a better life, health and happiness and general overall life satisfaction.
Living with gratitude and having a positive outlook also seems to improve healing and recovery from illness and injury. I've not looked at the statistics to see if the numbers support this, but my own experience, anecdotal evidence and casual study do seem to support this.
On the other hand, generally speaking, those who are bitter, angry, jealous, envious, coveting, quick to react to perceived slights, quick to judge harshly, etc...seem not to do as well as those with a positive, attitude of gratitude.
As such, I wonder if there is a correlation between internalizing and living one's life in constant violation of so many of God's Ten Commandments and diseases that cause the body to attack itself, such as with autoimmune diseases and some cancers, as well as conditions like ulcers, high blood pressure and heart disease, etc.
Perhaps these classes of disease are to one degree or another a consequence or a byproduct of unrepentant, sin-based focused thinking/ internal dialog and the negative emotions that result from it.
Can a body live poisoning itself like that? Is there a cause and effect relationship between this and the aforementioned diseases?
Seems likely to me, based upon other aspects of our lives such as poor diet, constant exposure to pollution and environment toxins in food and drink, etc.
Things happen to us, often beyond our control, but we also cause things to happen to ourselves, good and bad. What we do to ourselves is my interest and what I'm attempting to understand.
If I've caused any distress, anger or misunderstandings by my theorizing in public, please know this is not my intent.
God built random. Glad he did.
GOD appoints our time to be born and die. He has domain over sickness and health. The why's, how comes, and hows may not be understood this side of our lives. Afflictions can also be used as tempering of our spirit and character. We also have to remember Job. What did Job do to deserve what was allowed to happen to him? What was GOD's response to his accusers? :>}
Casting all your care upon Him; for He careth for you.
—1 Peter 5:7
It is a happy way of soothing sorrow when we can feel—"HE careth for me." Christian! do not dishonour religion by always wearing a brow of care; come, cast your burden upon your Lord. You are staggering beneath a weight which your Father would not feel. What seems to you a crushing burden, would be to Him but as the small dust of the balance. Nothing is so sweet as to
"Lie passive in God's hands, And know no will but His."
O child of suffering, be thou patient; God has not passed thee over in His providence. He who is the feeder of sparrows, will also furnish you with what you need. Sit not down in despair; hope on, hope ever. Take up the arms of faith against a sea of trouble, and your opposition shall yet end your distresses. There is One who careth for you. His eye is fixed on you, His heart beats with pity for your woe, and His hand omnipotent shall yet bring you the needed help. The darkest cloud shall scatter itself in showers of mercy. The blackest gloom shall give place to the morning. He, if thou art one of His family, will bind up thy wounds, and heal thy broken heart. Doubt not His grace because of thy tribulation, but believe that He loveth thee as much in seasons of trouble as in times of happiness. What a serene and quiet life might you lead if you would leave providing to the God of providence! With a little oil in the cruse, and a handful of meal in the barrel, Elijah outlived the famine, and you will do the same. If God cares for you, why need you care too? Can you trust Him for your soul, and not for your body? He has never refused to bear your burdens, He has never fainted under their weight. Come, then, soul! have done with fretful care, and leave all thy concerns in the hand of a gracious God.
Amen. We would do well to see more of Spurgeon here. Always a blessing.
That is according to James.
James 2:10-11 For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it. For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
Yes, anyone who overeats and gains too much weight will put themselves at risk for heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes, etc. And there is some responsibility in some cases where people bring on their own problems.
There is no doubt that stress can suppress the immune system and take its toll on the body.
However, the problem is that that kind of theorizing can far too easily lead to determining that all illness is from sin and to judging people and their spiritual health and standing before God on the condition of their bodies.
It can and it does happen to people who are afflicted with physical problems. I've been there, at the hands of other FReepers no less, and others, and I know of many other people who been dealt the same thing from others who don't know when to stop talking.
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