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What happens to society when robots replace workers?
Harvard Business Review.com ^ | December 10, 2014 | William Davidow & Michael S. Malone

Posted on 12/10/2014 1:05:31 PM PST by giant sable

The technologies of the past, by replacing human muscle, increased the value of human effort – and in the process drove rapid economic progress. Those of the future, by substituting for man’s senses and brain, will accelerate that process – but at the risk of creating millions of citizens who are simply unable to contribute economically, and with greater damage to an already declining middle class.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; Education; Society
KEYWORDS: economy; zeroeconomicvalue
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To: giant sable

They already have. Think anyone wields a spot welder on a sheet metal line in Detroit or any other auto assembly plant? Amazon’s warehouses use robots to transport goods as well.


21 posted on 12/10/2014 1:31:26 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are not inclined to commit crimes.)
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To: catnipman

That Hideous Strength by CS Lewis:

Ransom replied, “Sulva is she whom mortals call the Moon. She walks in the lowest sphere. Half of her orb is turned towards us and shares our curse. On this side the womb is barren and the marriages cold. There dwell an accursed people, full of pride and lust. There when a man takes a maiden in marriage they do not lie together, but each lies with a cunningly fashioned image of the other, made to move and to be warm by devilish arts, for real flesh will not please them, they are so dainty (delicate) in their dreams of lust. Their real children they fabricate by vile arts in a secret place.”


22 posted on 12/10/2014 1:36:23 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: dfwgator
What happens when robots repair the robots?

Or when they are so inexpensively manufactured that no one bothers to repair them? (like cellphones and other electronic products.)

23 posted on 12/10/2014 1:37:08 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Resolute Conservative
The problem's plain to see
Too much technology
Machines to save our lives
Machines dehumanize
- - Styx
24 posted on 12/10/2014 1:37:34 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are not inclined to commit crimes.)
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To: catnipman
See the movie “Silent Running”.

What a coincidence. I was watching it just last night.

25 posted on 12/10/2014 1:38:05 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: MrB
Which brings to mind the bigger societal problem of when robots replace women...

This has been previously considered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_2000

26 posted on 12/10/2014 1:40:50 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

what happens when people only want to see robots doing boxing?


27 posted on 12/10/2014 1:43:54 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Sherman Logan
I’m a huge fan of the free market, which has had a darn good run of several centuries. But it’s perhaps best known for its ability at “creative destruction.”

I’m beginning to suspect that its last act of creative destruction will be self-destruction.

You and me both. This is a question I have long pondered, but I have mostly addressed my speculation to the issue of robot killing machines.

We are going to reach a point where they can build humanoid robots which will be incredibly lethal. They will have the speed and reflexes to shoot you a millisecond after your head has emerged from around a corner. Imagine the fastest gun in the west with utterly unfailing accuracy.

No human soldier would be able to stand against such a thing on an equal basis, and when the totalitarians don't have to worry about human ethics in their super soldiers, things could get very ugly indeed.

28 posted on 12/10/2014 1:49:04 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Sherman Logan
I would like to think that there will be emerging markets in the service industry. But, from what I have seen where I live that can also be an economically driven downward spiral. As our housing market collapsed and was made worse by local politicians demanding more business restrictions and limited growth ordinances, the number of plumbers, painters, roofers and especially landscapers seemed to multiply.

So far most of them seem to be busy and I've not heard that wages are dropping as I would normally expect with increased competition. Although I have noticed some professional building contractors have gone down and the category of "handymen" has grown.

With manufacturing trending more towards robotic implementation, I first thought that there would be a growing segment of warehousing and distribution. But, Amazon seems to be single handedly proving that ain't so.

More and more it's looking like the only tasks robots can't advance quickly at are picking vegetable can fruit crops and senior comfort and hospice care. Another one might be personal trainers.

29 posted on 12/10/2014 1:51:39 PM PST by Baynative (Did you ever notice that atheists don't dare sue Muslims?)
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To: All

In some of the Isamov writings robots had become the most HATED minority for the most part.


30 posted on 12/10/2014 1:52:04 PM PST by uncle fenders
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To: longtermmemmory
what happens when people only want to see robots doing boxing?

I do not envision a time in which Robot boxing would be popular. I think it is the idea that people can see themselves as being represented by a boxer that gives many people their interest in the sport. It is a contest between competing wills and skills.

With Robots, you wouldn't have that. Besides, they would be capable of moving too fast to really see much of the fight. It might be a novelty for awhile, but I don't see such a thing lingering.

31 posted on 12/10/2014 1:53:41 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: giant sable

Robot hamburger factory makes 360 Gourmet Burgers every hour...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3100817/posts


32 posted on 12/10/2014 2:16:00 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.)
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To: giant sable
What happens to society when robots replace workers?

Everything turns to sh*t.

33 posted on 12/10/2014 2:19:04 PM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: MrB
For some folks, “Zero Economic Value” would be a step up.

Why do you have to always bring Al Sharpton into the discussion?

34 posted on 12/10/2014 2:24:56 PM PST by The Duke
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To: longtermmemmory

35 posted on 12/10/2014 2:27:54 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: BenLurkin

Robots cannot replace all jobs, and won’t for a long time.

The Great Shift Toward Automation and the Future of Employment
http://tamarawilhite.hubpages.com/hub/The-Great-Shift-and-the-Future-of-Employment


36 posted on 12/10/2014 2:59:38 PM PST by tbw2
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To: giant sable

women will date the robots.
We Can Rebuild Him. Better. Stronger. Faster.
Then women will breed out males.
Then women will reproduce via cloning and/or with the robots somehow using artificial DNA. the end.
37 posted on 12/10/2014 3:19:46 PM PST by snowstorm12
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To: giant sable

The question eventually leads to what constitutes a purposeful life, as well as it’s meaning. “I discovered the meaning of life a couple weeks ago, but forgot to write it down.” Guess I’ll have to make do with the biblical texts.


38 posted on 12/10/2014 3:24:30 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (Even the compassion of the wicked is cruel.)
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To: giant sable
As Robert Heinlein once remarked to me, the assembly line made it possible for a moron to make a decent living. They didn't have to think. They just had to repeat the same operation over and over. Robots mean we no longer need the morons on the assembly line.
39 posted on 12/10/2014 3:38:46 PM PST by JoeFromSidney (Book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. Available from Amazon.)
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To: giant sable

The need for skilled workers grows, and because the price of goods and services no longer require as much time and money, they go down in price and thus, people have more time and money to put towards improving their skills.

One of Ayn Rand’s students addressed the idea of automation threatening the livelihood of workers in “The Divine Right of Stagnation”. He essentially proved that the only workers who need to fear automation are the ones too lazy to improve themselves and arrogant enough to believe that the rest of us should be held back because of that laziness.


40 posted on 12/10/2014 6:03:41 PM PST by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be earned and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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