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Warner Bros. Sues New York Bar For Playing 80-Year Old Song
TF ^ | 8/29/2014 | TF

Posted on 09/15/2014 9:32:57 AM PDT by Dallas59

Warner Bros. has filed a lawsuit against a small bar from Amityville, New York, for playing one of their songs without permission. The track in question is not a recent pop song, but the 80-year old love song "I Only Have Eyes for You" which first appeared in Warner's 1934 movie "Dames."

giacomoMany bars, pubs and restaurants like to entertain their guests with live music, with bands often playing covers of recent hits or golden oldies.

As with all music that’s performed in public, the bar owners are required to pay the royalties, even if there are just handful of listeners present.

Royalty collection agencies take this obligation very seriously and drive around the country visiting local bars and pubs to check whether they obey the law. Those who don’t usually get a bill in the mailbox, and if they refuse to pay up it gets worse.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: copyright; extortion; lawsuit; organizedcrime; song; warner
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In the lawsuit Warner Bros. claims to have been severely harmed by the public performance in the Amityville bar, for which it demands proper compensation. Since the actual damage can’t be calculated they ask for up to $30,000 per infringement.

The said wrongful acts of the Defendants have caused and are causing great injury to the Plaintiffs...

1 posted on 09/15/2014 9:32:57 AM PDT by Dallas59
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To: Dallas59

I’d like to cause ‘great injury’ to the plaintiffs.


2 posted on 09/15/2014 9:34:49 AM PDT by MeganC (It took Democrats four hours to deport Elian Gonzalez)
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To: Dallas59; GeronL

It’s just another protection racket. The money collected NEVER goes to the artist/songwriter. It’s just a fee to prevent being sued.


3 posted on 09/15/2014 9:35:01 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Hey Obama: If Islamic State is not Islamic, then why did you give Osama Bin Laden a muslim funeral?)
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To: Dallas59

This would be in the public domain if Mickey Mouse hadn’t bought enough politicians to get copyright extended.


4 posted on 09/15/2014 9:36:14 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: Dallas59

I think ASCAP used to collect a check from the clubs I worked in Manhattan back when I was young and stupid.


5 posted on 09/15/2014 9:37:07 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Goofy scam...


6 posted on 09/15/2014 9:37:44 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Dallas59

Seems a nationwide boycott of Warner Bros.,
by those who support the bar,
might balance the scale.


7 posted on 09/15/2014 9:38:17 AM PDT by Diogenesis (The EXEMPT Congress is complicit in the absence of impeachment)
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To: Dallas59

And they wonder why the music industry is dying.


8 posted on 09/15/2014 9:39:03 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Dallas59
Be careful singing "Happy Birthday."
9 posted on 09/15/2014 9:40:15 AM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: Dallas59

I would say that actual damages can be calculated. $1 per song for a year (cost to buy a song at iTunes store), so prorated over the number of days the bar is open, times the number of people at the bar on the day in question.

So 1.00 / 312 (assumes open 6 days a week)
times 1 day
times the number of patrons (lets assume 20)
works out to about 6 and a half cents.

Heck, lets be generous and award them $1 just to cover any other possible infractions or errors in assumptions.


10 posted on 09/15/2014 9:41:44 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Menehune56

Nice post re: Happy birthday. I always wonered why that was still in copyright.


11 posted on 09/15/2014 9:44:33 AM PDT by edwinland
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Yep. A clear cut case of CAE.

C ongressionally
A ssisted
E xtortion


12 posted on 09/15/2014 9:46:31 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Dallas59

The Horror...


13 posted on 09/15/2014 9:47:59 AM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: Dallas59

It seems to me they are cracking down harder against the targets they can go after, because they are so many other infringers they have no chance of stopping. It’s a losing battle for them, but they can’t give up because that would mean finding an entirely different business model.

Sooner or later though, I expect intellectual property laws to face a severe overhaul, as technology has rendered enforcement of them rather impossible.


14 posted on 09/15/2014 9:49:30 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: a fool in paradise
It’s just another protection racket. The money collected NEVER goes to the artist/songwriter. It’s just a fee to prevent being sued.

That's not true. I am friends with a number of songwriters who receive substantial income from their PRO (ASCAP/BMI/SESAC).

15 posted on 09/15/2014 9:49:50 AM PDT by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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To: taxcontrol

Having spent some time at Disney University we had some discussion about their copyright enforcement.

The way it was explained is they if they let someone go for putting Mickey Mouse’s image on a birthday cake—and it could be shown that they did nothing—they would lose the right to enforce it later. It is an all or nothing proposition.

The headline is that the little guy is being sued for $30,000. The settlement is for a lot less. In the bar situation there is usually a blanket ASCAP payment. My guess is that they were not paying at all...or had let their contract lapse.

This stuff happens all of the time.


16 posted on 09/15/2014 9:50:31 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Ebola: Death is a lagging indicator.)
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To: taxcontrol
I would say that actual damages can be calculated. $1 per song for a year (cost to buy a song at iTunes store), so prorated over the number of days the bar is open, times the number of people at the bar on the day in question.

Purchasing a song on iTunes does not grant you public performance rights.

17 posted on 09/15/2014 9:50:49 AM PDT by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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To: Vermont Lt
The headline is that the little guy is being sued for $30,000. The settlement is for a lot less. In the bar situation there is usually a blanket ASCAP payment. My guess is that they were not paying at all...or had let their contract lapse.

Yep, and probably told the ASCAP rep to go [blank] themselves when they told the owner they needed to sign up.

18 posted on 09/15/2014 9:52:05 AM PDT by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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To: Dallas59

Even our church has fill out an online form of songs sung during services and royalties paid (the exception, of course being old hymns in the public domain).


19 posted on 09/15/2014 9:52:20 AM PDT by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: a fool in paradise

You are very correct.

For an artist to collect on the royalties that are apid, the artist has to join the organization (like Warner Bros). For a fee.


20 posted on 09/15/2014 9:52:38 AM PDT by kidd
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