Posted on 08/10/2014 12:46:23 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe
I have spent a little time compiling links to threads about the Ebola outbreak in the interest of having all the links in one thread for future reference.
Please add links to new threads and articles of interest as the situation develops.
Thank You all for you participation.
EDITORIAL: Beware the Ebola snake-oil remedies
WH: New Ebola funding request would dwarf previous commitment ($6.2 billion)
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What a headline!
And what an issue for illegal immigration hawks!
Ebola scare on Canary Island nudist beach after migrants from Sierra Leone arrive on boat with fever and are taken away by dump truck in front of terrified tourists
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This is an issue on two levels.
1. Boko Haram does not believe in western medicine and won't allow in any future Nigerian Ebola vaccination campaign into areas they control.
2. While #1 seems something of a self-solving problem, the real issue is that however Boko Haram gets access. They are going to spread Ebola to both their friends and enemies.
That threat is going to make the administration of Ebola vaccine universal in 3rd world countries that have or are adjacent to any such Muslim jihadi controlled territory.
There are pluses and minuses to this.
Big Pharma will make money on Ebola vaccines.
The USA will get to use the vaccine with the least side effects to inoculate its military and as many Americans who are willing and able to pay for it, whatever the Federal Public health bureaucracy, the FDA or even the D.E.A. has to say about it.
And we also know that the rich elites yo-yo's who are not vaccinating their kids for Polio and Whooping Cough in Deep Blue urban areas won't do so for Ebola either.
Both of the Ebola vaccines under testing right now are grown in extract of dead human baby.
We won’t be availing ourselves of either one of those either.
AFAIK, there are five vaccines under development in the US, Canada and the EU, using three quite different methods. One uses dog cells.
But the two being pushed, are grown in dead human child cells.
“Glaxo SmithKline (GSK) and NIAID are jointly developing their ChAd3 vector for delivering the Ebola virus gene using HEK-293 (human embryonic kidney) cells. Likewise, NewLink Genetics of Iowa used HEK-293 cells for their VSV-EBOV Ebola vaccine in Canada, while Johnson and Johnson/Crucell developed theirs using PER C6 cells, derived from retinal tissue of an 18 week gestation aborted baby.”
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/obama-admin-backing-ebola-vaccines-using-aborted-baby-cell-lines
“The Obama Administration has chosen to back Ebola vaccines made using cell lines cultivated from aborted babies, despite the fact that the government itself acknowledged that moral alternatives could also be used, according to a pro-life organization that specializes in advocating for morally produced vaccines.
Children of God for Life says it has discovered that several Ebola vaccines in development for use worldwide are being made using the aborted fetal cell lines.
The proof of the use of the controversial cell lines in the manufacture of the vaccines is found in the patents.
According to the patents, Glaxo SmithKline (GSK) and NIAID are jointly developing their ChAd3 vector for delivering the Ebola virus gene using HEK-293 (human embryonic kidney) cells.
The HEK-293 cell line was created in the early 1970s, and was cultivated from the kidney of baby that was aborted in The Netherlands.
Likewise, NewLink Genetics of Iowa used HEK-293 cells for their VSV-EBOV Ebola vaccine in Canada, while Johnson and Johnson/Crucell developed theirs using PER C6 cells, derived from retinal tissue of an 18 week gestation aborted baby.
Human tests using the NewLink vaccine began on human volunteers in the U.S. on Monday.
“There is absolutely no reason to use aborted fetal cell lines,” stated Debi Vinnedge, Director of Children of God for Life.
In a letter to the Department of HHS, the NIH, the FDA and NIAID, Vinnedge points out that the US Department of Health has itself listed other viable options to using the embryonic cell lines, such as yeast, insect, plant, bacteria, CHO, BHK, heLa and COS cells.
The DoH patent states: “The attenuated [ebola] virus can replicate well in a cell line that lacks interferon functions, such as Vero cells.”
“At least two other Ebola vaccines in development by the University of Texas and GeoVax are using either Vero cells or chicken eggs,” said Vinnedge. “Likewise, therapeutic products such as ZMapp (LeafBio) and TKM-Ebola (Tekmira) are using plant or Vero cells”
“It is completely irresponsible of this Administration to put these problem vaccines on fast-track for approval and ignore the fact that a massive number of people may very well refuse them,” added Vinnedge. “Why not fast track a product that everyone can use in good conscience?””
You don't want to know how the Germans produce "touristsausage", or how the Soviets and now the Russians produce vaccine.
Throw in how foods are developed these days and you'll be a vegan, or maybe starve trying to find politically correct food.
It’s not a matter of squeamish.
It’s a matter of morality.
Use of fetal cells is immoral to a pro life Christian.
And, having worked in pharma for more than a decade, I fully understand how vaccines are produced.
Dogs != dead human children.
You might also check out their problems with the autoloader on the initial thousand or so production of the T-72 tank. Worse, when balked of its prey, the thing had a tendency to load rounds backwards with subsequent loss of the entire crew.
I’m not Russian. It’s irrelevant how the Russians produce things.
The whole point of this discussion is that the soon to be mandated ebola vaccines are produced in a vat of extract of dead human baby.
There are many who consider such a thing MORALLY reprehensible and will refuse the vaccine.
MOREOVER, the government by its own admission, COULD have produced these vaccines in OTHER cell cultures but inexplicably chose to produce them in one that is MORALLY reprehensible to a large number of US citizens.
How the Russians produce military equipment is irrelevant to this discussion unless your argument is that using dead human children to produce a ‘cure’ is somehow an ‘industrial oversight’ and ‘oops, accidents happen especially if you’re corrupt’. This cell culture was chosen deliberately.
One under quarantine in Iowa after spending time in West Africa
Ebola scare on Canary Island nudist beach after migrants from Sierra Leone arrive on boat with fever
Your position strikes me as grandstanding equivalent to this on the left:
http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2014/11/the-unbearable-lightness-of-feminism.html
We have no idea yet which of the five vaccines under development will even work, let alone prove to be the best combination of effectiveness and lack of side-effects. Furthermore all are first generation vaccines. I very much doubt any will be mandatory for any Americans not in the armed forces, and probably not even for the vast majority of servicemen/women who are not deployed to West Africa.
It is, however, likely that one of the five will work well enough to become sort-of mandatory, as such things go in West Africa, for survivors of this first wave of Ebola outbreak in Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea.
I might have time to write, and post tomorrow, my opinion of how events will progress. Short form now:
One of those five currently developing Ebola vaccines will work well enough to save Nigeria plus maybe the Ivory Coast, Ghana, Togo, Benin, Mali, Bukarina Fasso and Senegal. Maybe even Guinea too. Ebola won't get beyond West Africa in any event, sporadic and quickly snuffed outbreaks excepted.
I tend to agree with Dark Wing that Ebola might spread to the Islamic areas of Nigeria. I do agree with him that, if it spreads to Boko Haram controlled areas of Nigeria, it likely will spread to Mali and Niger plus, worse, the ISIS-controlled areas of Syria and Iraq plus very likely the Taliban-dominated areas of Pakistan. Given the aversion of Islamic extremists to vaccination, that should become, eventually, a self-solving problem, but not before mandatory mass anti-Ebola vaccinations become necessary in large areas outside West Africa.
As for mandatory anti-Ebola vaccinations here, there is IMO a small chance that it will happen in small areas here, with one of these first-generation vaccines, to snuff out sporadic outbreaks in 2015. I doubt this will happen but there is a small chance _someplace_ in the US. IMO voluntary vaccinations plus normal tracing of contacts plus mandatory quarantines will be sufficient to snuff any such outbreaks.
Again, IMO, any significant mandatory anti-Ebola vaccinations in the US will be only with second or third generation vaccines that have gone through the normal testing process, and then probably not until 2020 at the earliest. Obviously there is no way to even guess now how those will be developed or produced.
I am already on record that _some_ horrible epidemic will break out pretty much worldwide from some as-yet undiscovered animal-to-human disease originating in East Asia or the jungles of Africa and/or the East Indies, and that this will happen in the next 5-20 years. This is not merely my own opinion - see the _Atlantic_ article I posted excerpts from a while ago.
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