Posted on 03/10/2014 12:29:14 PM PDT by redleghunter
Pope Francis has suggested that the Vatican could support gay civil unions in the future, according to one of the church’s most senior cardinals.
Cardinal Dolan told American television that Francis wants church leaders to 'look into it and see the reasons that have driven them.'
'It wasn't as if he came out and approved them,' Dolan told NBC on Sunday. 'He said, “Rather than quickly condemn them, let's just ask the questions as to why that has appealed to certain people.”
In an interview to mark his first year in the church’s top job, Pope Francis last week reaffirmed the Vatican’s opposition to gay marriage but indicated that some types of civil unions could be acceptable to the church.
The Pope restated the church's teaching that 'marriage is between a man and a woman,' but added 'We have to look at different cases and evaluate them in their variety.'
Some countries justify civil unions as a way to provide the same economic and legal rights to cohabitating couples as those who are married, the Pope said in the interview with Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera.
As archbishop of Buenos Aires, the then Jorge Maria Bergoglio was one of the leaders of the Catholic Church's public charge against legalising same-sex marriage in Argentina. He called the proposed legislation ‘a destructive attack on God's plan’.
But behind closed doors the Argentine archbishop is said to have supported civil unions for same-sex couples.
Former theology professor and gay rights activist Marcelo Marquez said: 'He told me “I'm in favour of gay rights and in any case, I also favour civil unions for homosexuals, but I believe that Argentina is not yet ready for a gay marriage law”.’
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It has come to our attention that we are being made the scapegoats of everything the Pope says, as if we are not doing our jobs. This is inaccurate. We are not charged with perfection in translation. In fact, none of us speak a second language at all!This may surprise many readers of this notice, so I will describe our role here at Ground Zero...or VeeCee, as we call it.
First, just months ago, we were all homeless on the Streets of Rome. The translation office is a jobs program for homeless Italians. Through the kindness of the Great leaders at VeeCee, 8 of us were recruited to a very fulfilling job with benefits. Many of us previously used Google Translate, so we had every qualification needed. Please note, our instructions are to get the message out fast. You may have noticed our Great Pope speaks "off the cuff" quite frequently, or as we say here in VeeCee, "between bites of pasta."
For this reason, we are not charged with accuracy, but with speed. Blinding speed. And between you and me, we are fast. We don't like to miss meals. Done is done. Good enough, is good enough.
With this in mind, please try to speak kindly of us so that we can continue in this important role.
Sincerely,
Luigi, Antonio, Giuseppe, Michael, Maria, Giovanna, Francesco, & Concetta
Hey! He’s your boy. Welcome to the new Rome!
I know. What will they use to “look into it...”? Seems like all you need is the Bible.
Indeed and how are we to do so in accordance with scriptures?
In the first part of the sentence he “reaffirms” the Churches position. In the second half of the sentence the claim is made he “indicated”.
Yes there seems to be some duplicity on the matter and it comes from those addressing the questions, and not those who pose them. The secular 'pressers' are asking clear questions like do you support homosexual "marriage" and the answer from the Pope is "no, we don't." When asked about civil unions, then the answer from the Pope and Cardinal Dolan is "we will examine that." So on the one hand the Pope is clear in saying "gay marriage" is a no no, but since civil unions are accepted by governments the church will examine that. So why address civil unions at all if the church does not recognize secular law unions at all? The duplicity is stunning.
It grieves me to say this, but Cdl Dolan is an idiot who is a Dem first and a Catholic when he gets around to it. I’ve seen enough pictures of him with Obama, or with his arm draped around Cuomo or even around De Blasio. He’s just an idiot who wants to be loved by his masters, the Democrats.
As for Pope Francis, I could see that the Church might ignore the “civil union” issue, which is, after all, a creation of the state and deals with civil matters such as inheritance, insurance, etc., as long as the state didn’t start trying to impose it’s definition of “marriage” on the Church and start trying to force the Church to accept it and perform these faux “marriages.”
Dolan, eager as always to curry favor with liberals, stated it very badly. And the bizarre last sentence about some supposed hearsay in Argentina just shows the wishful thinking of the press.
I think he was referring to the laws. If they try to make the civil partnership exclusively sexual, for example, and even call it “marriage,” this would not be acceptable. However, if they simply let any person establish a household with another person (for example, a mother and adult child living together or even just two old friends) for tax and insurance purposes, then it’s simply a civil partnership that has no moral implications.
Please explain why this Pope has so much trouble with mistranslations and needs others to 'explain' what he really meant after he opens his mouth?
Please email Pope Francis the verses on "let your yes be yes and your no, no." All the Pope had to say was "No" on gay 'marriage (which he did); and "No" on civil unions (which he did not). The duplicity is astounding. Then Dolan gets on TV and makes it worse not better.
Are you suggesting Cardinal Dolan was a victim of the English speaking press misinterpreting what he actually said? If a cardinal is confused on what the Pope actually said, then "Danger Will Robinson."
Please provide a link or source to the above quote. For some reason on this site whenever Luther is quoted it is a good idea to post the link.
You said this was media misrepresentation...but you don't prove your point.
Apparently you believe the quotes to be wrong. So why don't you post what the Pope actually said to prove your point?
no i am wondering if this is just dolan’s take on what he understands the pope to have said. the press wants the pope, much of it it seems, to be this uber liberal guy who’s the obama counterpart.
these are the people who report magazines and clips are the same things, after all. what story isn’t put out there with an agenda behind it? these are the people who scream they are objective yet vote over 90% democrat, they scream for an independent press free from control yet have not uttered a peep about having government “press officers” coming into their newsrooms.
that’s why i am saying i take every story now about francis with a grain of salt. unless he’s being directly quoted and if not in english, if the translation isn’t paraphrased, they are portraying him as they want to portray him.
Next he’ll be holding mass in chaps and a smile.
I just didn’t think God’s word was so malleable.
I must be missing something.
I always understood that a sin was a sin. Period.
Is this no longer the case with the Catholic Church?
Brilliant. Thanks.
I believe a point I made up thread was "why even mention a secular practice at all." Meaning, why did the Pope address it? He could have put that 'baby' to rest right away by saying the Catholic church accepts only those unions defined by their doctrine. That would have put to rest the speculation. But he did not and left an open flank.
This will never happen in the Catholic church. It has already been debunked. The Pope always gives interviews in Italian and the media completely twists his message into something else.
The conversation didn’t have anything to do with homosexuals and the Pope was discussing the fact that some people (heterosexuals) don’t get married because they are too poor, or differences in cultures, so we shouldn’t necessarily consider those people as “living in sin” if they are for all intents and purposes devoted to each other and family for life. That’s it. There was no discussion about homosexuals.
This may come as a surprise for some FReepers, The media LIES!
I don’t know if he actually said it or if the author has made this implication.
I can say that I am not fond of this pope, however I am not a rock solid Catholic either, so I would take my comment with a grain of salt on this.
I don’t believe this for a moment.
Glad you trust the Daily Mail Online.....I don’t.
RE: Pope to stop condemning same-sex civil partnerships
I’d like to ask the writer of this article if he believes “not condemning” means celebrating or approving...
I am so through with this denomination as well!!
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