Posted on 02/05/2014 2:43:22 AM PST by Olog-hai
“Science Guy” Bill Nye tapped on the podium, threw up his hands and said “billions and billions” in a Kentucky museum that has become widely known for teaching that the Earth is only 6,000 years old.
Nye was debating Creation Museum founder Ken Ham and promoting science in the snappy way that made him a pop culture staple as host of “Bill Nye The Science Guy” in the 1990s.
The event was meant to explore the age old question, “How did we get here?” from the perspectives of faith and science. …
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REALLY! Show one drip.
I’m sorry I said that. You are not a fool.
You are a believer. But belief and science are not the same thing. Science operates on facts, not faith.
Relative to what?
(Would we not need a measuring device external to our universe?)
I’m not sure what was Nye talking about in your reference; I’d have to check carefully. If it is about the bodies getting apart, it doesn’t need any special treatment for the observer getting stretched. It is just a bunch of space bodies, all of them getting away from each other. The ‘hard to get’ part, “¿how is it possible that all of them are measuring the rest getting away, should not there be some common point they are getting away from?” is what attempts to be explained by the balloon. There’s no relativity needed here; only bodies that are already in movement and have velocity vectors.
If one wants a general relativity explanation it gets way more complicated. In that case, “gravitational force” would be replaced by “warping of space and time”. The key to understand why the observer is not being warped in a way it would be impossible for him to make any kind of measurement is to notice that gravity is not the same at every point of the universe. A short answer would be “the earth is small, the universe is big, we’re under very little influence, we’re not too warped, we can sort of make good measurements”. The right answer (what I just said is close to a pile of unscientific nonsense - hey, I have, like, a couple hundred words to work with) would require years only to get the very basics right.
How do you get evolve to be permeate ?
I commend your patience with those who are way behind the rest of the class.
When you believe the universe is billions of years old, you will naturally chose elements with a half-life of billions of years ... which tends to produce times which are, you guessed it, billions of years.
Good question.
When you start reading about cosmology, a lot of it borders on the fantastical but the facts and number are there.
Check out some popular books on quantum theory.
Read about how light behaves. Sometimes it behaves like its a wave - sometimes it behaves as though its made of discrete particles.
Einstein said matter and energy are convertible and matter warps space-time. He also said that the speed of light is constant and that you can’t go faster than light. (Recent studies indicate this may not be the case)
He also said that if you go fast enough, a clock slows down and a person traveling at infinite speed ages slower than people who are moving slowly - or vice versa - I can’t remember.
I understand - I am quite familiar with the Bible. What I am not familiar with is how time has flowed in ages past.
Science thinks they know...."For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known." (I Corinthians 13:12)
There is an ENTIRE SERIES of fossils showing how horses evolved from a small forest creature to a large plains animal.
The geological record shows a progress of anthropoid creatures moving forward in the fossil record to modern man.
There are many other types of animals in the fossil record with similar records.
The observation was explained as the result of an explosion.
I still have a problem with it all because if I was the sun and I had exploded to produce this whole mess, my perspective would be different (and the words I use to describe the event) than if I was Mars ... or Saturn.
Each planet (point of reference FROM the focus of the bang (if there WAS a bang) .. ) would have a different perspective and observation.
from Saturn looking out I see Pluto moving away ... but Mars (looking back to the focus of the bang) would be moving with me or if the expansion is equal ... Mars is moving away also. thus ... where am I in this spectrum becomes ALL important in explaining and realizing the big bang as a valid theary.
When it's all said and done ... I don't believe the big bang and I don't believe evolution
So all you have are pictures of what scientists believed happened. There are no documented transitional fossils that can withstand outside scrutiny.
Guess that Disney movie of evolution is more proof. Look for yourself and you will find the fossil trail does not back up the theory and they have spent 150 years looking for a single transitional animal and have come up blank. That is proof evolution is a hoax.
7 days? Yesterday I read something like for God a million dollars is no more then what we call a penny. So whose 7 days was the world created in? God’s 7 days? What would that be in human terms? A decade? A century? A millennium? It’s all a mystery, wonderfully and delightfully, no simple answers, especially for the bad stuff.
I think it was Steven Hawking who developed the big bang and made it popular. He said there was nothing before the big bang.
That’s where it breaks down for me. Hard to believe everything just developed and fell into place the way that it has without God setting it in motion.
All I can say is that I believe that God can not be fully understood by mere mortals.
Trying to communicate the complexity and scope of the creation of the universe to a then (relatively speaking) very simple-minded people is best accomplished through very simple language. I believe that “The Great I Am” purposefully inspired biblical writings to be easily communicated to those simple people.
I believe God uses all the leeway he knows *WE* need to get his points across. Whether seven days of creation was actually seven gazillion eons is not the issue to me. The issue is that if God wants us to know exactly what all happend during creation to include the mechanics and physics of it, he will grant us the capacity to understand it. And he may yet. It doesn’t appear God allowed that level of understanding during this debate.
That is kind of like saying you saw two guys walk into a closed room with one guy holding a gun, heard a gunshot and saw the guy with the gun walk out and then assumed the dead guy in the room killed himself. Could happen but not likely. The circumstantial evident is pretty strong he was murdered.
Who’s to say God did not create another race way before us in another part of the universe?BTW, I LOVE Science Fiction and Progressism is number one on my sht list.Your premise is that I like Nazism because I became a fan of science fiction when I was five years old?
Also, to believe in something you don’t believe in is a human right and does not mean you belong to a cult!
Ah yes, that’s why the equations make that n-dimensional trick to avoid the need for a single spot for the explosion’s ground zero. No, there’s no need right now for complications beyond Newton’s laws for this particular problem.
That’s a very interesting question. Can one really say that Earth is not the center of the solar system? What the equations say is only that the calculations are simpler if one assumes the Sun to be the center. The orbits come up “prettier”, that is elliptical instead of lemniscates or whatever. But is that right? Yes. And no. In the end, under this rule, the only thing we know is “the calculations fit”. There is an entire set of calculations where the Earth is the center of the universe. And, mathematically, they’re right. There’s another set where the Horsehead nebula is the center. None are particularly elegant.
What does it mean when we say Big Bang is scientifically sound? It means the same thing: “the calculations fit”. In those calculations there’s no particular “center of explosion”. That’s because the calculations were made based on the observation or lackthereof of said center.
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