ISON UPDATE/Large Debris Moving Fast.

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[Yosemitest]

ISON UPDATE/Large Debris Moving Fast.

Published on Dec 4, 2013

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Ison is a V shaped debris field with objects that are miles wide each..at least 21 large ones..
They are moving at 2 million miles per day.
Ison is moving away from "Secchi A" at that speed which makes it appear smaller from that camera each hour..
THE ROCKS ARE DARK NOW.
They will become darker as they move further from the sun over Earth..
They will not become smaller.

[Talisker]

You mean the one where a few frames change in the beginning and end, and then the thing is played fast to indicate slight movement? LOL.

And what about your magic ice? And good old Roche? And a three mile nucleus spread out 5 million miles and consisting of only dust and vapor that somehow resists flowing away from the sun’s solar wind?

We’ll see. A few weeks, and we’ll all know one way or another, Net or not, NASA or not.

[Yosemitest]

Okay, if you can be serious for a fews moments, I'd like your unbiased opinion of these latest 3 videos from BPEarthWatch
and I'll list them in the order he put them out.

AMAZING NEW IMAGES OF THE ISON METEOR STORM. ( 6:56 )
13 hours ago


ISON UPDATE-Dark Giants Captured in New Flare. ( 6:53 )
8 hours ago


Hubble to Watch Ison Now. ( 4:28 )
5 hours ago

I want your thoughts on

the SIZE of those pieces of debris he shows,
their direction of travel,
and the gases or chemicals in the center of the debris that he mentions.

Also notice the new satellite launched to watch Ison's remnants and to intercept the Oct 2014 comet, and its possible impact with Mars.

[FreedomStar3028]

I skimmed them. I’m going to tell you right now that I cannot take this guy seriously for one reason.

Most of his data is coming from NASA(soho’s), orbital data, etc.

Then he rails against NASA like they are hiding something from us. ISON is tiny tiny tiny compared to even Eros or Ceres. It was nothing compared to the scale of the SUN or EARTH. When it grazed the sun(1 million miles) it was heated to around 5000 degrees fahrenheit, melting most of it and breaking apart what was left. Anything left is probably no bigger than a small car - city bus. The trajectory of ISON is above Earth’s orbital plane, anything left is heading UP (perspective of orbital plane horizontal). And away from the Sun. Solar flares can not and do not effect small space objects. Asteroids, comets, and meteors are traveling much too fast for Solar particles to effect them. Nothing but an impact of great speed can effect the trajectory of an object moving as fast as ISON was. Even then, the chances of that happening are the chances that I could shoot the wings off of a fly in a hurricane with a revolver at 100 yards. These videos are pure junk science.

You don’t accuse an organization of lying and then use their data to back up your crazy notions.

[Yosemitest]

I don't know how much government experience you have, but I have over 30 years. His skepticism is sound, and you might realize that as you grow older.

Thank you for your input and time.

[FreedomStar3028]

The guy has a video with the topic “ISON causes an X class solar flare”. The sun is 864,327 miles in diameter. ISON is 3 miles in diameter. This just isn’t possible, it’s not possible that ISON could cause earthquakes, chaotic weather, or anything like that. It doesn’t even have gravity strong enough to keep you or me on its surface.....we could literally LEAP into the air and escape it.

The things this guy says are just NOT possible. It’s even worse that thousands of people believe him. Physics 101, or Astronomy 101 at a community college will quickly disperse these ridiculous ideas.

It’s about as bad as globull warming, just a bad hoax on a lesser scale. Simple science defeats nearly everything BPearthwatch has to say. It’s junk science, and bad entertainment at best.

[FreedomStar3028]

Comets are giant ice cubes with rocks and ores in them. Nothing special about them. They are “dirty snowballs”, when the ICE melts the rocks inside are let free and continue on the same trajectory. Unless the sun somehow decided to “slap” the comet. Which the sun just.....doesn’t do.

Have any of you taken a physics class, or an astronomy class? This is mind boggling.

[NoCmpromiz]

You mean the one where a few frames change in the beginning and end, and then the thing is played fast to indicate slight movement?

Actually, I kinda like this one. Your mileage may vary.

Comet ISON's Full Perihelion Pass :NASA

Comet ISON, which began its journey from the Oort Cloud some 3 million years ago, made its 
closest approach to the sun on Nov. 28, 2013. The comet was visible in instruments on NASA's 
Solar Terrestrial Relations Observatory, or STEREO, and the joint European Space Agency/NASA 
Solar and Heliospheric Observatory, or SOHO, via images called coronagraphs. Coronagraphs 
block out the sun and a considerable distance around it, in order to better observe the dim 
structures in the sun's atmosphere, the corona. As such, there was a period of several hours 
when the comet was obscured in these images, blocked from view along with the sun. During 
this period of time, NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory could not see the comet, leading many
scientists to surmise that the comet had disintegrated completely. However, something did 
reappear in SOHO and STEREO coronagraphs some time later -- though it was significantly less 
bright.

Whether that spot of light was merely a cloud of dust that once was a comet, or if it still 
had a nucleus -- a small ball of its original, icy material -- intact, is still unclear. It 
seems likely that as of Dec. 1, there was no nucleus left. By monitoring its changes in 
brightness over time, scientists can estimate whether there's a nucleus or not, but our best 
chance at knowing for sure will be if the Hubble Space Telescope makes observations later in
December 2013.

And what about your magic ice?

You seemed to get your thong in a wringer attempting to suggest here that I was putting words in your mouth. You seem to be quite at ease in such activity yourself. Magic ice is your term. Unless you are postulating that comets have a solid core (which your comments really would tend to indicate), general belief on the composition of cometary core structure is that it is a bunch of rocks and ices of some form. You will find a reference to core ices in the bold above from NASA's comments. Or if you prefer, you may desire to enlighten yourself by reading MORPHOLOGICAL STRUCTURE AND CHEMICAL COMPOSITION OF COMETARY NUCLEI AND DUST. It's really short (only 12 pages, and a two page bibliography in case you desire further study.) But then, you seem to indicate that you believe that NASA lied or something. Here is proof to bolster your apparent belief.

NASA LIED ABOUT COMET ISON IN ORDER TO DISCREDIT NIBIRU WATCHERS

And good old Roche?

What about him? Édouard Roche died back in the 1880's. His discovery explains things like most of Saturn's rings. If you are diving toward a black hole you find a really special Roche radius . We call it an event horizon. People who are not trying to impress by tossing out stuff that they may or may not know anything about simply refer to it as tidal effect. And a small body of lesser mass approaching a gravitational sink such as the Sun would most certainly be altered by tidal effect to the point of destruction. But just where did you invent this:three mile nucleus spread out 5 million miles?

You are back to faith statements that the sun, zetans, thetans, or Nibiruites imparted a sizeable amount of energy to the system in an unseen and off-axis manner so as to allow for your faith in the ability to violate laws of conservation of momentum (and energy for that matter).

From what I found this cometary 'system' is on a trajectory that is inclined some 60 degrees from the elliptic (that info was from that great source of all things Wikipedia and as such could be wrong, but it's the value I found. Again, your mileage could vary.) Be aware that I am not disputing that the original core had a diameter of 5 km. Nor am I disputing the fact that tidal effects would have caused the collection of rocks to come unglued. And considerably reduced in size. And some of those chunks just might have been stressed into dust that should be creating a visible dust tail (but not your invisible dust.) Just how big the remaining rocks are - I don't know but it seems that there are those, especially those with a YouTube channel that seem to imply that they have that knowledge..

I am calling to the bar your seeming assertion that his comet possessed a solid core (which b.t.w. would have by definition made it an asteroid instead of a bunch of icebound rocks, er, comet) and your seemingly obsessive belief that in spite of being reminded of the conservation laws, your model somehow develops the ability to alter its trajectory by 60 degrees so that it will be in the same plane as earth's orbit so that we can all die. That's a rather sizeable energy input above gravitational slingshoting that has no source in your model. No matter what tidal forces produced in Ison, the remains, er maybe cremains, would still be traveling at an inclination of a nominal 60 degrees to the elliptic.

We're back to the howitzer 9 miles away from you firing a projectile in your general 'direction' but at an angle such that it would pass 4 miles over your head. It would take a sizeable input of energy to alter the trajectory of that projectile so that it was buzzing along parallel to the ground in a manner as to hit you. Thus, in my opinion, you are espousing a Chicken Little Sky Is Falling scenario. Again, your mileage may vary and as you say, we'll know soon enough.

Oh, and I'll gladly accept your generous offer for a happy meal. I'll give the toy to my grand-kids. I'll even have them write you a 'thank you' card.

Kids need to be taught manners these days...

[NoCmpromiz]

I'd like your unbiased opinion of these latest 3 videos from BPEarthWatch and I'll list them in the order he put them out.

Kinda hard to develop an unbiased opinion about something posted by a devotee of the Nibiru cult...

The Nibiru TimeLine Part One.

Just sayin'

[Yosemitest]

He coming from an electronics background,
and today we know that size has very little to do with the capability to hold and give off or cause an electrical charge or reaction.
How much more do we NOT know?

[Yosemitest]

And the Ark of the Covenant was just a gold plated wooden box with broken rocks in it, yet God killed with it, perhaps through an electrical charge.
How much more do we NOT understand?

[Talisker]

So, like, before I answer your questions, for the sake of establishing thresholds of expectations of acceptable discourse, I'm just guessing here, but it seems you're likely to take the position, that this is also not, what you personally, though referentially towards what you consider to be valid science, consider to be, from the point of view of plausibility, a reasonable alternative cometary hypothesis?

Electric Comets

[Yosemitest]

I don't buy the Nibiru theory.
But the videos I linked to in comment #182 and earlier, seem plausible.
The breaking up of Comet Ison, whether it was a solid asteroid with electrical properties like that similar to a battery,
or a collection of rubble held together by statically charged and radioactive dust from stellar space,
to me, is possible to cause some of those pieces of shrapnel to be thrown into a different trajectory from the force of the explosion of the heat stressed breakup.
The size of the "V" in those videos, doesn't reassure me that it'll miss us completely.

But this subject is NOT my expertise, but it is my curiosity.

[Yosemitest]

Thanks for the link.
Very interesting.

[NoCmpromiz]

So, like, before I answer your questions, for the sake of establishing thresholds of expectations of acceptable discourse, I'm just guessing here, but it seems you're likely to take the position, that this is also not, what you personally, though referentially towards what you consider to be valid science, consider to be, from the point of view of plausibility, a reasonable alternative cometary hypothesis?

To affect a dialog both communicants must be conversant in the appropriate language. Tell me, was that English?

Or valley girl speak?

More men speaking in girls' 'dialect'

[FreedomStar3028]

What are you talking about? Electrical charge?????

[Yosemitest]

BPEarthWatch said on one of his videos that his expertise was from his career as an electrical engineer.
His videos analyze Ison from that perspective, such as how electricity activates a plasma charge in the gases that Ison is ejecting, and how static electricity acts throughout the universe.
Aren't all stars burning gases in plasma?
Therefore he suggest that Ison and the Sun react electrically.
You need to watch some of his videos to see where he's coming from.
Let's go back to the Lunar landings, which I stayed up into the wee hours of the morning watching when I was in high school.
Remember the dust clinging to the astronauts' suits and the problems it presented in the Lunar module?
Wasn't that mostly because of static electrical charges?
Static electricity operates throughout the universe, and we should acknowledge that.
Also isn't one of the greatest dangers in space radioactivity, and isnt it produced by all stars?
How does radioactivity affect electrical charges?
I believe all of this is part of the secrets of comets.
Watch his videos, even if you don't agree with him, so you'll know where he's coming from and what he's talking about.

[Yosemitest]

I read " MORPHOLOGICAL STRUCTURE AND CHEMICAL COMPOSITION OF COMETARY NUCLEI AND DUST" and found it very dry reading, and of little use.
I wish I understood more of the chemistry so I could have comprehended it better.
It seemed to be mostly concerned about the size and makeup of the dust particles of the comet, and clung to the "dirty snow ball" theory.
But yet admitted that the water or frozen ice articles was not nearly as high as they had expected in the satellite findings and the observations from the light frequency readings.
I'd like to read a more current report since their 1999 paper.

[FreedomStar3028]

Rocks and Ice do not produce electrical charges. Moon dust is not electric, it holds no static charge. I’m not sure where you’re getting your information from, but it is wrong.

[Yosemitest]

Check your sources.

NASA’s Dirty Secret: Moon Dust
"... To make matters worse, lunar dust suffers from a terrible case of static cling. UV rays drive electrons out of lunar dust by day, while the solar wind bombards it with electrons by night.
Cleaning the resulting charged particles with wet-wipes only makes them cling harder to camera lenses and helmet visors.
Mian Abbas of the National Space Science and Technology Center in Huntsville, Alabama, will discuss electrostatic charging on the moon and how dust circulates in lunar skies.

Luckily, lunar dust is also susceptible to magnets.
Tiny specks of metallic iron (Fe0) are embedded in each dust particle’s glassy shell.
Taylor has designed a magnetic filter to pull dust from the air, as well as a “dust sucker” that uses magnets in place of a vacuum. ..."


The Mystery of Moon Dust
" ... “The invasive nature of lunar dust represents a more challenging engineering design issue, as well as a health issue for settlers, than does radiation,” wrote Harrison (Jack) Schmitt, an Apollo 17 astronaut, in his 2006 book, “Return to the Moon.”
The dust sullied spacesuits and ate away layers of moon boots.
Over the course of six Apollo missions, not one rock box maintained its vacuum seal.
Dust followed the astronauts back into their ships, too.
According to Schmitt, it smelled like gunpowder and made breathing difficult.
No one knows precisely what the microscopic particles do to human lungs.

The dust not only coats the moon’s surface, but floats up to sixty miles above it—
as part of its exosphere, where particles are bound to the moon by gravity, but are so sparse that they rarely collide.
In the nineteen-sixties, Surveyor probes filmed a glowing cloud floating just above the lunar surface during sunrise.
Later, Apollo 17 astronaut Gene Cernan, while orbiting the moon, recorded a similar phenomenon at the sharp line where lunar day meets night, called the terminator.
Cernan sketched a series of pictures illustrating the changing dustscape;
streams of particles popped off the ground and levitated, and the resulting cloud came into sharper focus as the astronauts’ orbiter approached daylight.
Since there’s no wind to form and sustain the clouds, their origin is something of a mystery.
It’s presumed that they’re made of dust, but no one fully understands how or why they do their thing.

It’s possible that an electrical field forms at the terminator line—where sunlight meets shadow—that could knock dust particles aloft.
Mihály Horányi, a physicist at the University of Colorado, in Boulder, has demonstrated that moon dust can indeed respond to such electric fields. ... "


How hazardous was lunar dust for Apollo astronauts on the Moon? - See more at: http://www.spaceanswers.com/space-exploration/2029/how-hazardous-was-lunar-dust-for-apollo-astronauts-on-the-moon/#sthash.Br0KAgUd.dpuf
" ... Moon dust is almost half silicon glass, while it also contains iron, calcium and magnesium.
Owing to its composition, it can be quite problematic.
For one thing, it clung to the Apollo astronauts’ space suits, in part due to the static charge in the dust.
They would often get into their module covered in the stuff, which was reported to smell like burnt gunpowder as it reacted with oxygen within the Lunar Module. ..."


Tiny dust grains, empowered by the sun, pose big problems on the moon
" ... Without the benefit of a robust atmosphere, the lunar surface is bombarded with energetic solar radiation, which lends a clingy electrostatic charge to the dust grains, O'Brien found.
"Analyses imply this adhesive force weakens as solar angle of incidence decreases," his study says. ...

... O'Brien writes, "future lunar astronauts may have greater problems with dust adhesion in the middle half of the [lunar] day than faced by Apollo missions, ... "

[Darksheare]

BPEarthwatch seriously believes that the negligible hill sphere of mercury would impact Ison, and that Earth’s Moon also will have some effect.
This is so close to impossible that it is laughable.
As for your question about the rest of his videos, it stands to reason that if his premise with Ison being moved by Mercury is bunk, the rest of his stuff would be bunk too.

He’s also a firm believer in the Nibiru crap.
Which is firmly in the realm of Nancy Lieder and her supposed brain implant allowing her to speak to “aliens” in the “Zeta Reticuli system”.
Since all of the predictions of Nibiru killing us all, from before 2003, 2003 and on to now etc were all a bust, how much stock should one put into anything these guys say?
Zero.
None.
They insisted we were all going to die from Elenin.
Then they said Asteroid yu55 was elenin despite it being on a completely different orbit as well as having been known prior to Elenin.
They also claimed elenin was causing earthquakes, a supposed earth axial tilt of four degrees that somehow everyone didn’t notice, as well as claiming Elenin was a brown dwarf.
(Were elenin a brown dwarf, the orbits of the gas giants would have been altered years prior to elenins entry into the inner solar system. Not to mention that it would have glowed brighter than Venus long before reaching Mars orbit,it would have been a naked eye object for quite some time. Again, that points to these guys being full of it.)

Have any of these guys apologized for marketing their shams?
No.
Nor will they ever.
They just latch onto some other thing to get people afraid of.
So when Ison doesn’t kill us all, they will find some other thing to latch onto.

That “v” of debris? One leg points back towards the orbit the comet came from, the other leg points directly away from the sun.
And neither leg will intersect Earth orbit.
Ever.