Posted on 09/30/2012 8:04:53 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA
I was at Dick's this morning to buy some 223 ammo and was paying in cash. Before the checkout clerk would ring me out I had to tap Yes or No on the pad for the question of "Are you a US citizen"? None of the other gun stores I frequent ask this question......will be my last ever Dick's Sporting Goods purchase.
Read my response to your post #1.
If you answer “YES”, they won’t sell it to you.
What part of :
18 USC 922 (d) It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise
dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or
having reasonable cause to believe that such person -
(5) who, being an alien -
(A) is illegally or unlawfully in the United States;
Do you not understand?
So you got offended....do you get offended when your bank help line says “Press 1 for Spanish, press to for English?” You sure as hell should be. Asking whether you are a citizen when buying Ammunition to me is a good thing. Frankly, I don’t want foreigners of any flavor “not-citizen” buying anything related to weapons, period...The US Constitution is not for them; it is for citizens. They can go the hell home if they don’t like it.
I am wondering the point of this question. What is the purpose; suppose it would be interesting to find out what Dick’s is hoping to accomplish.
If I were here illegally, I am already breaking the law, so what harm will it do to choose “yes” on this question?
Export Controls.
It is illegal to export guns or ammunition to countries like North Korea, Iran, China. If you consider some of the more specialized items for sale at stores Dick’s, like high powered scopes or armor piercing bullets, the list of prohibited countries gets a lot longer.
The way that export control laws are now written, selling a prohibited item to a national of a foreign country within the U.S. is considered an “export” of that item. So if Dick’s Sporting Goods sells a rifle and ammunition to an Iranian citizen, they are probably in violation of export control laws. And I am guessing that ATF or other agencies would love to hit a major gun/ammo chain store like Dick’s or Cabela’s or Gander Mountain with huge fines for violating export control rules.
In my opinion at least, your anger is misplaced. Dick’s is just trying to follow the law and stay in business.
You are WRONG, as evidenced in my reply to your first post on the thread. Any other facts I can help you with?
Many Constitutional rights apply to citizens and non-citizens alike, for the simple reason that the Constitution (and specifically the bill of rights) does not create or grant rights, but simply protects those rights from intrusion by the government.
It may be the case that the Constitution does not protect certain rights (perhaps even the Second Amendment rights) of non-citizens, but it is not accurate to flatly state that Constitutional rights do not apply to non-citizens.
So Miranda rights do not apply to foreigners? How about pleading the 5th? How about freedom of speech? Of religion?
Much to do about nothing.
Did they ask for proof of your citizenship to make sure you weren’t lying? Or just take your word for it?
Can I guess the answer is “no”...no proof was asked for both of the questions above I asked?
If you were so upset about it, did it occure to you to ask “why” the question instead of coming on FR to ask us?
By they way, until today, you are still free to shop anywhere you want. You are not tied to shop at D’s.
Ever consider that many (Most) of the laws concerning the 2A are unconstitutional?
I called the store manager when I got home and she told me it is a new policy and she believes it is the law. Utter BS as there is no such law.
She asks question A. If the answer is "Yes, I am a citizen," the computer stops there. If the question is "No, I am not a citizen," the computer asks for production of a visa or green card.
How hard was that to figure out???
They are not the only one doing it. Did you read the regs? You seem to have at least a rudimentary grasp of the English language. Do you need an adult to read it to you?
Dude, sorry if I offended you. But, I cannot ignore the preponderance of the types I see with them laced atop their Mini Coopers, Audis, and VWs here in N Georgia....usually two guys, close-cropped hair, definitely NOT soldiers...gay, gay, gay and some more anticipatory wet-gay....
If yer gonna go kayaking, you should at least invest in a T-shirt, ball cap, or bumper sticker that says something like “Ass, grass, or beer - no free rides” (Oh,oh, oh!... and a picture of a hot chick instead of some dude)......
Show me another store doing this! I shop for gun related gear and ammo a lot and this is the first time I have seen this.
The question was "Are you a US citizen"? Are you getting 'illegals' and 'foreigners' mixed up?
like that question will stop any criminal from getting ammo!
That question should have been asked MORE OFTEN years ago and written in English only!
I know that many of the laws pertaining to my 2nd Amendment rights are unconstitutional. However, do you want to go to Federal prison ignoring those laws? How much skin are you willing to put in the game? Or are you just content running your yap on an internet forum while people like myself deal with those laws every day? Huh?
Okay...you’re offended. I can see that. NO, I don’t think Miranda anything applies to foreigners despite what the law says. The “law” misapplied by liberals is why we are even debating this question at all.
Miranda, misconfirmed by the SC to apply to foreigners coupled with all the other feel-good things like illegals’ uncomplicit children ‘deserve consideration’, illegals who have been ‘good’ while they’ve been here illegally, and on and on and on and on are why this country is so effed up right now....
Try complaining about having to endure Spanish radio, or TV, or pressing 1 or whatever. Don’t bitch about having to affirm you’re a citizen.
Going along to get along has got us to the point where sodas of a certain size are now banned in NYC. How is THAT working out?
Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. -Goldwater
Ha! It’s cool. I know the type you mean. You see them in NC, too, in the Asheville area. Kayak in that context is interchangable for bike.
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