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The Inside Story of a Controversial New Text About Jesus
(Married!)
Smithsonian Magazine ^
| 9-18-2012
| Ariel Sabar
Posted on 09/19/2012 6:49:40 PM PDT by Renfield
Harvard researcher Karen King today unveiled an ancient papyrus fragment with the phrase, Jesus said to them, My wife. The text also mentions Mary, arguably a reference to Mary Magdalene. The announcement at an academic conference in Rome is sure to send shock waves through the Christian world. The Smithsonian Channel will premiere a special documentary about the discovery on September 30 at 8 p.m. ET. And Smithsonian magazine reporter Ariel Sabar has been covering the story behind the scenes for weeks, tracing Kings steps from when a suspicious e-mail hit her in-box to the nerve-racking moment when she thought the entire presentation would fall apart. Read our exclusive coverage below....
(Excerpt) Read more at smithsonianmag.com ...
TOPICS: History; Religion
KEYWORDS: arielsabar; epigraphyandlanguage; faithandphilosophy; godsgravesglyphs; gospelofjesuswife; gospelofjohn; harvard; hewasarabbi; hoax; jamescameron; jamesossuary; jesus; jesustomb; jesuswife; johnchapter2; karenking; letshavejerusalem; losttombofjesus; magdalene; mariame; mariamne; marriage; marriageatcana; marymagdalene; rabbismarry; sectarianturmoil; simchajacobovici; talpiot; talpiottomb; veritas; weddingatcana
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To: Proud2BeRight
Married? I want to see the marriage certificate. What, “NO” paper work, records sealed....kind of reminds me of someone else.
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posted on
09/19/2012 7:57:35 PM PDT
by
hapnHal
(hapnHal)
To: Renfield
Was there only one guy named Jesus back then? I had once read that it was fairly common. Why do they believe this refers to Jesus Christ?
42
posted on
09/19/2012 7:59:40 PM PDT
by
passionfruit
(When illegals become legal, even they won't do the work Americans won't do)
To: Renfield
It is still just a money scam. In order for Harvard to own this one item they have to buy the whole collection from the anonymous owner.
Too many prior frauds, too many people consider this a fraud all by itself, too much inconsistent with other actual history.
the only people who seem to buy this without question are those who believe the previous fakes are not fake.
43
posted on
09/19/2012 8:00:01 PM PDT
by
longtermmemmory
(VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
To: Renfield
“Harvard researcher Karen King...”
OK, you lost me after those first four words.
44
posted on
09/19/2012 8:02:29 PM PDT
by
mkleesma
(`Call to me, and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.')
To: Renfield
The church is Christ’s bride.
To: pgyanke
Exactly! The Church is the bride of Christ.
46
posted on
09/19/2012 8:04:48 PM PDT
by
SubMareener
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To: impimp
well, if he was married, that just means he suffered a little more than we thought...........
47
posted on
09/19/2012 8:05:38 PM PDT
by
Red Badger
(Anyone who thinks wisdom comes with age is either too young or too stupid to know the difference....)
To: Nervous Tick
48
posted on
09/19/2012 8:06:45 PM PDT
by
Red Badger
(Anyone who thinks wisdom comes with age is either too young or too stupid to know the difference....)
To: Red Badger
>”well, if he was married, that just means he suffered a little more than we thought...........<
:-)
49
posted on
09/19/2012 8:08:54 PM PDT
by
GJones2
(Jesus married?)
To: God luvs America
50
posted on
09/19/2012 8:09:02 PM PDT
by
FredZarguna
(Educational Theory: a term which in this context means creating an area of study for dumbasses.)
To: GJones2
Jesus said there is no marriage in Heaven.
Thats why the call it ‘Heaven’........
51
posted on
09/19/2012 8:11:26 PM PDT
by
Red Badger
(Anyone who thinks wisdom comes with age is either too young or too stupid to know the difference....)
To: Renfield
The next extraordinary discovery will be a partial text which seems to indicate Jesus was against global warming.
Topicality is always suspect.
To: Just mythoughts
> "Who exactly ever called Jesus rabbi?"<
I had a vague recollection that Jesus was called Rabbi in the Bible, and see from a Bible site that it happened several times in John. (In Matthew 23, though, Jesus preaches that people ought not to want to be called by an honorable title such as 'Rabbi'.)
I'm skeptical of the significance of the papyrus find, though. If Jesus had a wife and children, it's likely that it would have been mentioned somewhere in the Bible.
53
posted on
09/19/2012 8:12:01 PM PDT
by
GJones2
(Jesus married?)
To: Red Badger
I see you’ve got lots of them. :-)
54
posted on
09/19/2012 8:13:43 PM PDT
by
GJones2
(Jesus married?)
To: passionfruit
Because it's Harvard, and the "researcher" doesn't know the difference between Jesus and this guy:
55
posted on
09/19/2012 8:15:15 PM PDT
by
FredZarguna
(I understand he's quite passionate about the league competitions.)
To: Renfield
I am a layman. But because the size of the fragment, according to the NY Times is smaller than a business card, then we have no context. (1) Who don't know who this Jesus was, but it wasn't Jesus Christ. (2) Jesus Christ had a wife--a bride. In the New Testament, his wife is called The Church of Jesus Christ. In Tanakh (the Old Testament), his bride is the Jewish people. In only non-canonical works (usually gnostic gospels) is there any hint that Jesus the Messiah (the Christ) had a human spouse. That means, discount this story in its entirety.) (3) Context is king. Without context, we have nothing on which to base any interpretation.
Liberal theologians would like nothing better than to lower the Lord Jesus Christ to the level of human being. They are playing with their eternal destinies in doing so. (Yes, Libertarians, that means I believe there is a Hell.)
56
posted on
09/19/2012 8:16:48 PM PDT
by
righttackle44
(I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine.)
To: Red Badger
>> Papyrii....
Huh? As in, “Whenever I cook chicken livers, Mrs. Tick burns papyrii in a little ceramic thing on the kitchen counter, to counteract the smell.”
No, I’m not sure that’s it. Anyhow, I thought it was spelled “potpourri”. :-)
57
posted on
09/19/2012 8:17:14 PM PDT
by
Nervous Tick
("You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.")
To: Red Badger
He had a Jewish mother, so none of the girls he brought home was good enough for him.
Donning flame suit.
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posted on
09/19/2012 8:17:40 PM PDT
by
FredZarguna
(I understand he's quite passionate about the league competitions.)
To: Red Badger
>> Thats why the call it Heaven........
BAD BOY!!! :-)
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posted on
09/19/2012 8:18:28 PM PDT
by
Nervous Tick
("You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.")
To: Renfield
He could’ve been married during those missing years, before she divorced him and kicked him out of the house!
60
posted on
09/19/2012 8:20:24 PM PDT
by
Revolting cat!
(Bad things are wrong!)
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