I agree. That's why I prefer DA/SA pistols for carry like Sigs and HKs.
Sig Sauer P229:
Posted on 07/09/2012 8:33:15 AM PDT by pgyanke
A woman celebrating the weekend before her 25th birthday was fatally shot Sunday when she hugged an off-duty police officer while dancing at a party, causing the officer’s service weapon to fire, according to police and her mother.
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According to Stephens, the woman “embraced the officer from behind, causing the holstered weapon to accidently discharge.’’ The bullet punctured Miller’s lung and hit her heart, and she died at a hospital.
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If by “love 0” you are referring to the episode where they visited the president and he “instructed” them to revisit the myth of Archimedes “death ray”: I like to think they weren’t truly too enthused about being there with him and/or the revisit. Adam was of couse his usual boisterous self, but that could have been an act. Jamie didn’t seem to be pleased to be there. Of couse Jamie never shows any emotion but...
...this is what I like to think. After all, when the president of the US asks you to do something most are willing to oblige, just out of respect for the office. Again, this is what I like to think. I hope to not be shown wrong, which is why I must admit I haven’t really looked into the issue.
I’d hate to find out those two are another couple of mindless O-bots. I really have a hard time believing Jamie would be one.
While a revolver can indeed have a popped primer, it’s exceedingly rare. It’s an order of magnitude more rare than a stoppage on a semi auto. Semi autos are normally far more sensitive to ammo choice. Semi autos can even jam in some cases by a poor firing grip.
And MANY semi autos can and do discharge when dropped. SO thats a moot point.
Anyone who shoots both much will experience many more stoppages with a semi auto than with a revolver. Thats just a fact. Admittedly, the semi auto will get off that first shot, but then the variables kick in.
The bottom line is that while of course not an absolute, “six for sure” is certainly approaching the accurate end of the truth meter. And revolvers for all their limitations, are far more dependable than semis. However, the difference is not enough to prevent anyone from choosing what they want and learning their system.
“Detroit PD carries M&Ps.”
The M&P is available with a 1911-like safety as an option, the trigger comes from the factory at about 4-5 pounds/is hinged with a block similar to the Glock so that positive finger pressure is needed to fire, and the striker is at rest until acted upon by the transfer bar. Not knowing which model the DPD carries (on/off duty), or if they had to overcome TRAINING shortfalls a la new yuk (the new yuk Glock trigger, almost 11 lbs pull!)by adding more tension to the return spring, makes it difficult to speculate.
Shoulder rigs (transverse with muzzle to rear) are very specialized and require more training than even the level III duty holsters.
Sad story.
My opinion is well earned sport. Or have you decided that YOU are the resident FR expert, and all must bow to you as you make smart-ass erroneous remarks? I have seen more than a few Glock accidents involving holsters, some fatal. Some involving dead kids. So Mr NRA certified, take your emblem endorned bullshine and shove it back where it came from.
And nothing was ever wrong with the Glock,,it was always a holster issue.
Close, but the Miami Vice rig had thinner straps. Galco calls it the Maimi Classic.
But JACKASS rig is more to the point !
A poorly maintained revolver
will malfunction as soon
as a poorly maintained pistol.
If it was a waist worn holster,,, body position will be explained by the phenomenon known as “freak dancing”.
“A poorly maintained revolver
will malfunction as soon
as a poorly maintained pistol. “
True. Now lets talk about brand new shiny clean ones, right out of the box. And lets talk about ammo choices in a shiny clean revolver. Revolvers do have issues. But the fact remains. A person can buy a revolver, and any box of proper caliber ammo in the store, and achieve a level of reliability that cannot be done with a semi. Most semi autos have a break in period, and a preferred ammo. Many have an ammo that it simply doesnt like.
I have seen very poorly maintained Glocks I have never seen that as true with Glocks.
just work better than shiny new S&W wheel guns.
Here’s what I have read from multiple, conflicting sources out of the Detroit press:
1. The weapon was a S&W M&P .40, department-issue.
The DPD claims that their weapons “don’t have a safety,” and the M&P’s 1911-style slide safety is optional. I’ll get to that in a sec.
The M&P .40 reporting is backed up by S&W press releases about the DPD contract in 2009. So if we are, in fact, talking about a department-issued pistol, it was a M&P in .40 S&W.
Without the optional slide safety, the M&P has a trigger safety like a Glock and internal safety blocks to prevent discharge upon being dropped.
2. I have seen consistent reporting that the pistol was in a waistband holster, under the cop’s shirt.
3. I have seen three conflicting reports in the Detroit press as to how the woman was hugging the LEO: From behind, in front and around his knees.
I think it is pretty obvious that it would take an extraordinary sequence of events for the deceased to have been shot in the heart and lung from a waistband-carried rig if she were hugging the LEO from the front or the back, unless he was 7’ tall and she was a very short person.
There’s something else going on here, the DPD isn’t reporting it.
As for the “our pistols don’t have a safety” line from the DPD press interview: This is going to bite them badly in court, should a lawyer want to make hay. S&W offered an additional manual safety on the pistol and DPD didn’t avail themselves of this option? Hoooooo.
I have never seen a primer go high on any wheelgun, either.
BUT... I have seen bullets with an insufficient crimp, or bullets which were hand-loads without a cannelure, walk out of the brass and protrude forward of the face of the cylinder and cause the weapon to cease to function.
This happens especially on hard-recoiling revolvers, which might not even be some monster magnum. It could be even an airweight .38 Special with +P ammo, a popular choice for CCW. I have seen this malfunction happen several times on .357’s in light revolvers, lots more on .44 Mags and even on .45 Colts which had been loaded “hot.”
Revolver owners really need to pay attention to their choice of ammo in this regard. Choose only ammo that has a cannelure in the bullet and a roll crimp at the case mouth - and as a result, choose loads which are designed for a revolver (ie, don’t bet your life on a revolver that uses semi-auto pistol ammo and moon clips). Stick to tried-and-trued revolver loads which headspace on the rim, not on the case mouth, and therefore can be crimped properly.
My guess....a Glock, and a shoulder rig where the trigger was exposed.
I have several shoulder rigs...even some Jackass and Miami rigs. They are adjustable as to angle of the muzzle......it does take some time to get the right fit, however.
I’ve got several shoulder rigs. Only one for a revolver, a DeSantis for the S&W Governor. For the “more than 6 needs” I have the bullet pouch on the other side for the .410s and the 45LC...
The gun was probably a Glock or some knockoff like an S&W M&P. A trigger safety is not a positive safety, no matter what their advertising says.
And newbies attacking people are not looked on kindly here.
Yep!
I picked up a Glock 36 that was on consignment from a local cop. Then found out it had Ghost action installed, which is prohibited by local PD.
I agree. That's why I prefer DA/SA pistols for carry like Sigs and HKs.
Sig Sauer P229:
Thanks!
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