Posted on 12/24/2011 12:55:37 PM PST by carjic
Sorry for the vanity. My son has returned from Left for Hillsdale College 1 1/2 years ago as a conservative and returned as a rabid Paul Supporter. (vanity)I am despondent after debating with him. He is lost.
A giant political myth is that RuPaul is pro life. He is for allowing the states to decide. How can any of your convictions be taken seriously if you say you believe life begins at conception yet it is OK for a state to kill what you yourself consider to be an actual human being?
No you are wrong. He is not Left wing anything. He has not got into the groups you posted about. He is aping Ron Paul word for word. He has not lived long enough to know you have to pick and choose your way through life and not everything is black and white. There are exceptions to everything.
I meant he has lost his way. Not giving up on him. He is a great kid who has bought RP crap lock stock and barrel.
I put forward two cases — that he is a Paul fan from the left (wrong reason: anti-Americanism) or from the right (right reason: disappointed constitutionalist). You need to figure out which your son is coming from. He may be aping RP directly but he’s getting his analysis from and being influenced by some third party. This third party is either the peer group he’s hanging out with, or an influential professor, or a talk radio host, or someone on the internet. It would be very interesting to know who is influencing him currently. It’s not just Ron Paul.
To the uninitiated, Ron Paul is understandably an attractive candidate.
I’d refrain from casting shadows, and instead discuss the positive things Paul stands for, which are plenty. I’d continue, however, to describe why I’ve moved on to the more ‘conservative’ candidate without discrediting Ron Paul.
2012 is not the end-game, and I don’t give a crap what anyone says otherwise. Our goal is to save the future of the USA for our sons and daughters. Such progress requires both patience and force.
California, still, elects GOP candidates and conservative candidates to Congressional seats and state level seats, while Massachusetts doesn’t and hasn’t for awhile. California has problems, but, at least, they do elect GOP candidates and conservative candidates to Congressional seats and state seats, from time to time. Thanks, California, for Ronald Reagan!
Apparently, you're none too familiar with Hillsdale.
I recommend you check them out.
Cheers!
...oh, and Merry Christmas.
Point out that China is bidding fair in the short term to become the "Arsenal of Marxism" before their demographic time bomb begins its inevitable implosion in 15-20 years.
Cheers!
...oh, and Merry Christmas.
Libertarianism is very captivating to teenagers. Their brain is not fully developed. If you wish to fix this, show him the flaws of libertarianism, that it is liberalism.
As long as he doesn’t believe in the Aqua Budda he’ll be OK.
What’s the Churchill quote?
‘If my son at 20 is not a liberal I say he has no heart, if at 40 he is still a liberal I say he has no brain’
‘The younger people probably don’t appreciate the foreign policy elements’
And maybe they are thinking his isolationist/passivist policies will keep them and their friends out of harm’s way.
<At least he’s only 19....mine is 29 and is a rabid Paul supporter. In fact, instead of coming home for Christmas he’s going to Iowa to work on the Paul campaign. We absolutely cannot discuss politics anymore as it gets ugly.
Mine is 34, a FReeper, and has voted for Ron Paul. We agree on a lot of things politically, but where we differ, it does get ugly. The few times we’ve ever had really heated political ‘discussions,’ were over Ron Paul and Big L libertarianism.
2008 was our first caucus experience here in Iowa. He spoke for Fred Thompson, but before doing so, gave a shout out to Ron Paul and his supporters. This time around, with the GOP selection being what it is, I’m afraid he’s going to be a full on Paul supporter. I don’t want to even bring up the subject because it goes from an innocent question on my part to Exorcist-like head spinning and yelling on his part. Apparently these folks are pretty rabid. I’ve yet to run into one (we’re in a college town and Paulies abound) who can talk about RP without going off the deep end.
Thought so.
Lessee...if Ron Paul is correct on all fiscal matters, is solidly pro-life, adheres to the Constitution, and all that, why wouldn't you assume that he is also correct (and conservative) on everything else as well?
Your words, not his.
Well, consider that a support of the Constitution, especially the 10th Amendment, is far closer to a libertarian view of things rather than a “conservative” view. The conservatives back then were in support of the Crown. The founders were the radicals. Conservatives now claim that they support the Constitution, but a lot of them are conservatives in the sense that they tend to support what has become accepted as the non-leftist Democrat view of the Constitution, but not the actual constitutional limits on government, nothing like the first principles promulgated by the founders of the United States.
"The traditional American foreign policy of the Founders and our presidents for the first 145 years of our history entailed three points:
Friendship with all nations desiring of such,
As much free trade and travel with those countries as possible,
Avoiding entangling alliances.
This is still good advice."
From the book; "A Foreign Policy of Freedom" by Ron Paul
FYI: the "isolationist" tag was bestowed upon Ron Paul by the one-world globalists, and of course is entirely false.
Sorry. But that is a dumb ass statement.
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