Posted on 04/09/2011 2:06:23 PM PDT by Windflier
This FAQ covers Andrea Rossi's technology, which combines small amounts of ubiquitous and safe Nickel and Hydrogen in the presence of proprietary catalyst under pressure and heat to generate a large amount of heat. It also addresses questions about the commercialization under way.
FAQ
What is the Energy Catalyzer?
It is a "Cold Fusion" device developed by Italian engineer and inventor Andrea Rossi. It produces heat by placing nickel powder of very small particle size (nano-meters to micro-meters) in a pressurized hydrogen environment along with currently undisclosed (for proprietary reasons) catalysts that enhance the reaction. When this environment is heated to approximately 450 - 500 C, a nuclear reaction starts taking place. This reaction releases a large amount of energy while consuming very little hydrogen and nickel powder.
How much energy does this system produce?
There is currently only one model of reactor that has been disclosed. It is designed to produce 10 kW of continuous thermal energy in the form of heated water or steam. However, this is not the upper limit of the energy the system can produce. It can be throttled up to 130 kW or higher, but that is avoided except during experimentation for safety reasons.
What proof do we have this technology works as claimed?
Andrea Rossi has used one of these devices to continually heat one of his factories for two years. In addition, recent publicized tests performed by third party scientists at the University of Bologna have verified that the output is far beyond any chemical reaction possible, that there are no hidden external sources of energy feeding the reactor, and that the output far exceeds the energy input. In one test, the device self sustained with no input for a period of time before the short experiment was ended. Another experiment allowed the reactor to run for 18 hours producing a constant average output of 15 kW utilizing only an average of 80 watts of input. Successful tests such as these have impressed scientists and have inspired the one year research program at the University of Bologna .
I explained this earlier,
You the Mark, Are greedy.
You say to yourself, if I talk to him, maybe I can convince him to take your money so you can become a secret partner. He says he won’t take anyone’s money, but how can he refuse more money, these things always overrun what you think they will cost.
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The mark convinces himself that he can convince Rossi to let him in on the ground floor. Rossi plays it cool telling him no but still surprisingly keeps picking up the phone when ever he calls.
Rossi says, you know, I like your interest, I don’t need any money right now but I would like to add you to my progress reports that I give potential future investors. In order to get them, you have to sign a Non-Disclosure agreement
Ok, you see where this is going, if you want more, you have to pay me...
Yes it is different process.
The 100 Million Kelvin is only at the microsecond where the bubble collapses. It isn’t the temp of the liquid.
Anyways, no one has got anywhere with it, seems a dead end. Something that is close but no cigar.
So how many KWs would I get for a nickel?
I don’t see how that would still be secret. As soon as you find out you’ve been cheated, you’ll come out. Unless you are too embarassed.
But I suppose if someone is stupid enough to ignore a guy telling you not to give him money, and you give him money anyway, but make it so secret nobody even knows you gave him money, and there is no legal record that you gave him money, so no way for you to get it back, I’m not sure that I am going to feel all that sorry for that person.
On the other hand, it’s the perfect conspiracy theory — “See, he’s taking money by fraud, but he’s doing it by telling people NOT to give him money, which makes some people so crazy they FORCE him to take the money, but it’s all so secret that nobody can possibly know about it. Except me, of course, and you since I’m telling you about it, and of course all our readers. But don’t expect any proof, because I just told you it’s a complete and total secret so nobody knows.”
A key to most good conspiracies is something that can be entirely explained in a way that the explanation also perfectly explains why there is no evidece of the conspiracy.
Or is it that lunchmeats are obsessed with these cities?
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“Unless you are too embarassed.”
That is the first defense in the con.
Here you can read all about cons:
http://money.howstuffworks.com/con-artist.htm
The bubble cavitation experiment has been overhyped. First, the issue of emitted radiation when the bubble collapse. The late Julian Schwinger (co-winner of the Nobel Physics prize with Richard Feynman) concluded that a sudden change of the dielectric constant at a fixed point in space brings about the emission. Something to do with Maxwell’s equations with time-dependent dielectric constants. Second, whatever the pattern of ultrasound in the container, the average molecular speed is not that much greater than the speed of sound in the liquid. The speed of the walls of the collapsing bubble is not that greater than the speed of sound in said liquid. The compression inside the bubble is not that great since the vapor inside the bubble is of the same chemical composition as that of the liquid: all you get is in-situ condensation. If the wall of the bubble was made of steel and the vapor inside is hydrogen, then the hydrogen will heat up to very high temperatures.
I think there are two lines of research being confused here.
Pons and Fleischmann were working in the solid state, where the Palladium crystalline structure was trapping comparatively large numbers of Hydrogen atoms. (This high solubility is well known, and is being investigated as a safe means of H storage for fuel cells—electric cars and all that.)
The theory was that (1) The Pd structure was holding the H atoms much closer than a gaseous H would exhibit at any realizable pressure; (2) Thermal excitation—still at moderate temperatures—would drive H atoms still closer to one another, here and there, now and then; and (3) Quantum tunnelling would allow some H atoms to interpenetrate and fuse.
The other cold fusion experiments being described here utilized the cavitation of bubbles, I presume contaning H or D; I don’t think P&F were working along this line.
Bubble collapses in the cavitation process are known to produce extremely high instantaneous pressures, very localized in space and time. These, it is speculated, create opportunities for fusion.
This effect seems to me a little like the inertial confinement and laser ablation of small D-H droplets in laser fusion research, but microscopic bubbles in a liquid rather than tiny droplets in air.
*Which* neutrons have high energy? The neutrons sitting inside the carbon atoms in the plastic in my keyboards aren't going through eight feet of anything: they're just wobbling there, in accordance with the Uncertainty Principle.
Cheers!
thanks for the ping
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Just those two? Schwinger and Feynman? !!
And what do you have against Tomonaga? Is it just because the Japanese have gone ahead and researched cold fusion? /sarc>
Cheers!
Thanks for clearing that up Erasmus.
Hopefully someday we will figure out how to do some form of fusion, where we get more out of it than we put in.
This Rossi scam is getting pretty comical!
Looked at: pesn.com/2011/04/07/9501805_Rossi_Cold_Fusion_Validated_by_Swedish_Skeptics_Society/
After six hours of producing 4.69 kW of power, 100% Nickel became 10%Cu, 11%Fe, and the rest being Ni (79%), I suppose. Transmutation has arrived!!!
Although Cu is not Au, but copper is still a precious commodity. Did a Romanian woman - while scavenging for copper - cut off her nation from the Internet?
She should get herself a pot, add some nickel powder, some hydrogen, a pinchful of Rossi’s secret sauce, cook it for a few hours and VOILA!!! COPPER!!!!
The pesn.com website is a hoot!
While the Western powers are worried about Iranian nukes, I will keep an eye for Iranian flying saucers.
Those Neutrons are Stable, they are inside of atoms.
There isn’t any protection against Neutrons, they are seriously bad suckers that lead, radiation suits, nothing is going to protect you.
pesn.com is somewhat legit, a lot of the members though aren’t professors and European they don’t come out often and slam directly.
They tend to put inconvenient facts on their web site that makes you make up your own mind that it is a fraud rather than outright declaring it themselves.
That site is where they reported their frustration of not being able to get radiation readings from the experiment. That is a glaring red warning sign on the legitimacy of any cold fusion experiment.
My theory is, they want to get absolute irrefutable proof it is a fraud so they play nice trying to get better access.
There may be colder fusion one day, but fusion involves the release of great energies and one of them is heat. It is a near certainty that there will never be true cold fusion unless some exotic matter is found.
There has been only one colder fusion experiment that got anywhere close and actually released neutrons. I noticed that most (if not all) of the links to stories don’t contain that experiment but only reference to frauds.
If you want to latch on to something, latch on to this one (or simular) or the high energy plasma fusion one (it is electrostatic collapsing plasma bubble, same concept though)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_fusion
If someone legitimately had a cold fusion experiment, they wouldn’t be able to be stopped.
I hear stories all the time that this guy had a engine that could go 1000 miles on a gallon of gas or something like this. These were all cons, and the con was so good that people to this day believe that it was the big bad oil companies that kept it from us. These people made up these stories and fled with the money while the marks have spread these stories down through the years so they get more fantastic with each telling.
The Green Jobs and the Green Economy is actually a continuation of the cons that have filtered down through the ages. No economist can say how these more expensive sources of energy are going to take root without destroying the entire economy or by giving it permanent taxpayer subsidies. They all have faith in their leader (the con) will deliver and the leader of the con keeps telling the marks it is just a matter of time before the payoff happens.
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