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Sodomy and Sufism in Afgaynistan Sodomy and Sufism in Afgaynistan
Asia Times ^ | Spengler

Posted on 01/10/2011 4:13:24 PM PST by chesley

Social scientists attached to the Second Marine Battalion in Afghanistan last year circulated a startling report on Pashtun sociology, in the form of a human terrain report on male sexuality among America's Afghan allies. The document, made available by military sources, is not classified, just disturbing. Don't ask, don't tell doesn't begin to qualify the problem. These are things you didn't want to know, and regret having heard. The marines got their money's worth from their Human Terrain adjuncts, but the report might have considered whether male pedophilia in Afghanistan has a religious dimension as well as a cultural one

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TOPICS: Religion; Society; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: homosexuality; religionofpeace
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I don't know what to say about this. It is very disturbing.
1 posted on 01/10/2011 4:13:30 PM PST by chesley
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To: chesley

Its sick, sick, sick.


2 posted on 01/10/2011 4:21:33 PM PST by proudofthesouth (Libs are pro life only when it comes to animals. When it comes to humans they are pro death.)
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Warning: Not for the squeamish. Article & vid is at link.

“The Taliban Rape Tapes...”
http://bigjournalism.com/bthor/2010/02/12/taliban-rape-tapes-a-muslim-abu-ghraib/

The movie (from the award-winning book), “The Kite Runner,” details man on boy violence in Afghanistan. It’s not pretty.


3 posted on 01/10/2011 4:21:33 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: chesley
Interesting, though I don't think the author succeeds in proving his case that pederasty is a uniquely Sufi phenomenon. While he does provide convincing evidence that it was common among the Sufis, he doesn't have a good answer to the fact that it just as common among Wahhabis and the more extreme sects of Islam.
4 posted on 01/10/2011 4:24:37 PM PST by curiosity
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To: chesley

Has Barney Frank offered to go on a congressional fact finding trip over this issue yet?


5 posted on 01/10/2011 4:29:29 PM PST by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: proudofthesouth

yes, it is indeed


6 posted on 01/10/2011 4:31:56 PM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: chesley

Pederasty is always a major element of homosexuality. Everything becomes ok when you have no logic and reason based in Natural Law Theory which defines right and wrong. It is common sense. We were the only nation based on Natural Law, but with the homosexualization of this country we are becoming exactly like the pagan homosexual cultures of Greek and Rome. Pederasty was rampant.

St. Thomas Aquinas aligned Catholic Theology to Natural Law Theory. It is why homosexuality was illegal in all Christian societies. It is against natural law and without natural law you can not have a logic of what is right and wrong. You can not put sex in moral terms without Natural Law. You get rid of the moral absolutes and become relativists....where everything becomes equally good.

Right and Wrong becomes whatever the majority wants it to be when you throw out Christianity and Natural Law.

Judaism was the first major religion to denounce homosexuality and to create marriage as a meaningful, special relationship which was the most important element in culture. That may be the reason they have been so hated by all other cultures which revered beauty and didn’t differentiate between homosexual, heterosexual or pederasty. How dare the Jews depict their base common behavior as an evil.


7 posted on 01/10/2011 4:32:16 PM PST by savagesusie
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To: curiosity

I would rhink the same factors are relevant.

Lack of available females for young men


8 posted on 01/10/2011 4:34:05 PM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: Kartographer

Be glad to chip in for a one-way ticket


9 posted on 01/10/2011 4:35:09 PM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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No wonder they all wanted DADT repealed


10 posted on 01/10/2011 4:35:24 PM PST by MagUSNRET
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To: chesley
You think you've seen disturbing?

This is from a bona fide jihadist on a board two or three years back:

"In the days of the Mujahedeen [the pre-Taliban victors against the Communist government], there were men with their ashna everywhere, at every corner, in shops, on the streets, in hotels: it was completely open, a part of life," said Torjan, 38, one of the soldiers loyal to Kandahar's new governor, Gul Agha Sherzai.

"But in the later Mujahedeen years, more and more soldiers would take boys by force, and keep them for as long as they wished," Torjan said. "But when the Taliban came, they were very strict about the ban. Of course, it still happened — the Taliban could not enter every house — but one could not see it."

But for the first time since the Taliban fled, in the past few weeks, one can see the pairs returning: usually a heavily bearded man, seated next to, or walking with, a clean-shaven, fresh-faced youth. There appears to be no shame or furtiveness about them, although when approached, they refuse to talk to a Western journalist.

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Kandahar is called the homosexual capital of south Asia. Such is the Pashtun obsession with sodomy — locals tell you that birds fly over the city using only one wing, the other covering their posterior

"They say birds flew with both wings with the Taliban," Muhammad said."

11 posted on 01/10/2011 4:35:42 PM PST by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: savagesusie

And now so many (nominal) Jews are quite active in re-paganizing the West. Of course , they are not alone, and there are many people of deep Jewish faith who resist this trend.


12 posted on 01/10/2011 4:39:43 PM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: chesley

It’s too early in the day to read something like that.


13 posted on 01/10/2011 4:43:36 PM PST by Ronin ("Dismantle the TSA and send the screeners back to Wal-Mart.")
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To: chesley

It is why homosexuality has always been condemned in all rational societies. It is a narcissism which always leads to a worship of self and beauty and youth. It commodifies sex into meaningless, nihilistic act that is only about lust and pleasuring oneself. It takes morality out of the sex act and makes every sex act equally good. Incest, pederasty, beastiality always follow. Sins of the flesh destroy all relationships and destroy children and rob them of proper role models to grow up emotionally stable and able to relate to both sexes in the world.

Homosexuality separates a society instead of unites them. The relationship between woman and man should always be about sacrifice which it has to be, if entered into properly.


14 posted on 01/10/2011 4:48:21 PM PST by savagesusie
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Lack of available females for young men

Yes, I think that's part of it, though in that case it argues against a Sufi connection, as Sufi-influenced Islamic polities were laxer in the limitations they placed on women and male-female relations.

Another factor is the pre-Islamic norms of influential societies that adopted Islam.

For example, pederasty was common in pre-Islamic Persia, and to some extent the Persians kept it after they converted. Islamic Persia, in turn, had a huge influence on the rest of the Islamic world.

Then there's the fact that the Koran itself contains suras that could be interpreted as supportive of pederasty, even as it forcibly condemns homosexuality.

15 posted on 01/10/2011 4:49:57 PM PST by curiosity
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"They say birds flew with both wings with the Taliban," Muhammad said."

BS. The Taliban are just as bad as the warlords when it came to Pederasty. The only difference is the Taliban are a more discrete about it.

16 posted on 01/10/2011 4:53:16 PM PST by curiosity
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To: chesley

It’s lonely up thar in them hills...


17 posted on 01/10/2011 4:58:00 PM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: curiosity

It’s sadly true that many liberal Jews promote neo-paganism, along with their liberal Christian co-irreligionists, if that’s the right word. Some problems liquidate themselves. Among Americans, the lowest fertility rates are found among Reform and secular Jews (around 1.1 or 1.2), and mainline liberal Protestants (1.3 for Episcopalians and Presbyterians—granted that all Episcopalians and Presbyterians aren’t liberal). Meanwhile the Modern Orthodox Jews are having 3 or 4 children, and the ultra-Orthodox are having 7 or 8. In fifty years, please God, we will have roughly the same number of Jews, but most of us will be observant.


18 posted on 01/10/2011 5:03:45 PM PST by Spengler (It's not the end of the world. It's just the end of you.)
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To: chesley

The Jews need to wake up and realize why they were the chosen people! It was their unique ideas and thinking in a pagan world, which led to Christianity.

I can not understand how they can discard such a tradition of greatness for this mediocre paganism that can never lead to happiness or hope.


19 posted on 01/10/2011 5:06:49 PM PST by savagesusie
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This heritage goes way back even to Sodom and Gomorrah, nothing new at all really.If you remember the story of Lot in the bible, the 2 angels came to see Lot and the locals almost beat his door down to get to them, he even offered his two daughters, but they were not interested.
20 posted on 01/10/2011 5:08:29 PM PST by eastforker (Visit me at http://www.eastforker.com)
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