Is Bobby Jindal Eligible To Become President If He Was Born Before Parents Were Naturalized?

[Retired Intelligence Officer]

I need some help on this. I was reading where Bobby Jindal was born to immigrants here on visas. If he was born in Baton Rouge before they became naturalized citizens, wouldn't that make him ineligible to become President? I am in a heated argument at another website over this and I need answers to this controversy. Any help would be appreciated.

R.I.O.

[patlin]

Hold on, the 14th amendment was ratified by judicial activism? What?

I see you are reading challenged. I'll give you a 2nd chance read what I actually wrote. Then maybe you can answer this question for us...

By what form of law did the founders have the authority in which to revolt against England and break all ties with them?

And FYI...no one is a citizen of the United States unless he is 1st a citizen of one of the 50 states or in the case of the ratification of the Constitution, one of the 13 states. Geesh, my 10 yr old granddaughter even knows that one. We're a bottom up Federal Union, not a top down Federal Union. Our Constitution was not written for an all sovereign & powerful central government much to you disliking.

[Red Steel]

Look, you can make up your own views of what NBC *should* mean, but nowhere in US law does this exist ... “Natural born citizens only belong to or have one country and have no other.”

You know WOSG, you just don't know or want to admit that you are wrong. I've showed a series of posting on this thread ...all slam dunks, but you just go right on and deny what your "lying eyes" see.

And this is obviously wrong... “The subject about natural born citizens as there is no required law to make them citizens” ...

No, I'm right. There is no laws that naturalizes natural born citizens. There is no need to as that would be silly.

since law DOES define who is a citizen at birth aka a natural born citizen. e.g. 14th amendment.

You can look at post 232 as there are 14th Amendment citizens and they are NOT natural born citizens. Kawakita was NOT a natural born citizen, but just only a jus soli birth that only made him a citizen based on the 1898 Wong Kim Ark decision.

[WOSG]

“WRONG...there is natural citizenship in which no law is required”

Ahem, in ALL cases the law is required, since ‘citizenship’ is a legal construct.

If what you say is true, the 14th amendment clause would be superfluous yet it was not, since we didnt grant citizenship to many who you claim would acquire it where ‘no law is required’.

We are a nation of laws, starting with the Constitution on down. All these citizenship rules are and must be based on law, not some vague view of what the laws of nature are. there is no ‘law of nature and God’s law’ that requires children to follow parental allegiances, or every immigrant would be breaking God’s law. Absurd.

[Tublecane]

“Under citizen one can either be naturalized or born on US soil to one citizen parent and one non-citizen parent and still be a citizen, but not natural born citizen.”\

So what you’re saying is there are really three categories of citizenship: natural born, born but not natural, and naturalized. Sorry to break it to you, but the middle one doesn’t exist. You are either natural or naturalized.

[shield]

It means that she was 4 months pregnant when she arrived in the US...he was born 5 months later...neither parent were naturalized citizens so he is NOT eligible to run for president.

[murron]

If that was the case, then there would be many presidents in the early days of our country who would not have been eligible due to their parents not being citizens of the U.S.

[Drew68]

There are 4-5 categories of citizen in this country.

Wrong. There are only two: Naturalized and Natural Born.

[Tublecane]

“There are 14th Amendment citizens according to the Supreme Court, which is naturalization (by law) at birth.”

B.S. No such thing as naturalization at birth. That is an insane concept.

[Tublecane]

“Duh? Duh this.”

Duh you!

[WOSG]

What is your cite in US law to justify your definition?

[murron]

Native born and natural born are the same thing. The words native and natural come from the same word source.

[Uncle Sham]

"Notably, the 14th amendment has the 2 classes of citizens - born or naturalized. That’s it, nothing more!"

Here's the exact text in question:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

I challenge anyone to find the term "natural born citizen" within the text of the Fourteenth Amendment. Since the term "Natural Born Citizen" does not exist in the text, this Amendment cannot possibly change whatever the term "Natural Born Citizen" meant at the time of it's passage. It simply defined two OTHER types of citizenship. period. For someone to claim that this Amendment eliminated the "Natural Born Citizenship" category established by the founders is simply an intent to mislead or distort the FACTS.

Repeat your lies all you want. They won't work in court.

[RegulatorCountry]

The words native and natural come from the same word source.

No, they don't.

[Red Steel]

Which proves nothing, because he wasn’t running for President and they were only deciding on citizenship.

You guys can deny deny deny...

However, I destroyed that lame argument in post 224.

Here it is again, to repeat in verbatim:

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To: Tublecane; r9etb

Exactly. They weren’t deciding presidential eligibility in the Ark case, so of course they didn’t say whether he was or not.

What you post is "hooey."

The 1939 SCOTUS decision in Perkins v. Elg did not "decided presidential eligibility," but nevertheless the Supreme Court in their holding said she was a natural born citizen because Ms. Elg was born inside the United States and she had citizen ParentS when she was born.

So, you do see where the Supreme Court said Ms. Elg was a natural born citizen?

And "Affirmed"

224 posted on Friday, November 12, 2010 8:47:33 PM by Red Steel

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As we see again, Ms. Elg was "Affirmed" a natural born citizen and that Wong Kim Ark was NOT.

Exactly. They weren’t deciding presidential eligibility in the Ark case, so of course they didn’t say whether he was or not.

[WOSG]

“Both parents must be citizens to qualify as natural born citizen.”

Bizarre and tottally unconnected with actual law.

What is your cite of US law for such a definition?

Any why stop there? Why not insist on a bloodline that goes back to the Mayflower?

[darkwing104]

If you read the whole thing.

Since the Constitution does not specify what the requirements are to be a "citizen" or a "natural born citizen", the majority adopted the common law of England:
The court ruled:

It thus clearly appears that by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country, and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, and the jurisdiction of the English sovereign; and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject, unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign state, or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.

III. The same rule was in force in all the English colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the constitution as originally established.

U.S. Supreme Court Center

[YellowRoseofTx]

Under citizen one can either be naturalized or born on US soil to one citizen parent and one non-citizen parent and still be a citizen, but not natural born citizen.

What is it about this comment that you do not understand? There are two kinds of citizens.

1. Naturalized or born on US soil to one citizen parent and one non-citizen parent = citizen.

2. Born on US soil to two citizen parents = natural born citizen.

There is a distinction between citizen and natural born citizen.

[Tublecane]

“Here we see SCOTUS in the modern usage of ‘native-born.’”

Native born is not a seperate category from natural born. it is a smaller circle within the big circle. To call someone native born clarifies that they are a citizen from birth through “jus soli” as opposed to “jus sanguinis.” “Jus soli” and “jus sanguinis” are both citizens by birth, and possess equal status.

[Red Steel]

Duh you!

No, it's obvious to everyone but to the trolls that you're the 'Duh'!

[WOSG]

Yup... and Ms Elg had dual citizenship issues and immigrant parents to boot!
Red Steel, go ahead and use this to debunk all those who keep claiming “natural-born” is about having zero foreign ties, when in fact Ms Elg had them in spades and was STILL called a natural-born citizen. Well done.

In the meantime, ponder the logical fallacy of confusing a declared category to be an exclusive limitation. Just because ms Elg *IS* a natural-born citizen, and was stated as such, doesnt mean every case where they didn’t make that same point was *not* also NBC, including Wong Kim Ark.