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To: Tublecane
Hold on, the 14th amendment was ratified by judicial activism? What?

I see you are reading challenged. I'll give you a 2nd chance read what I actually wrote. Then maybe you can answer this question for us...

By what form of law did the founders have the authority in which to revolt against England and break all ties with them?

And FYI...no one is a citizen of the United States unless he is 1st a citizen of one of the 50 states or in the case of the ratification of the Constitution, one of the 13 states. Geesh, my 10 yr old granddaughter even knows that one. We're a bottom up Federal Union, not a top down Federal Union. Our Constitution was not written for an all sovereign & powerful central government much to you disliking.

241 posted on 11/12/2010 8:11:24 PM PST by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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To: patlin

“I see you are reading challenged. I’ll give you a 2nd chance read what I actually wrote.”

Here is what you posted (annoyingly unnecessary caps included):

“BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP TO BABIES BORN TO ALIEN PARENTS in the USA, REGARDLESS OF THE PARENTS LEGAL STATUS, IS CITIZENHIP BY FIAT & NOT BY NATURE DUE TO JUDICIAL ACTIVISM, NOT ACTUAL LAW RATIFIED BY WE THE PEOPLE!”

Since the prevailing interpretation of the 14th amendment’s standards regarding the children of aliens born in the U.S. is, in my opinion, self-evidently accurate, I could only assume you were implying that the entire 14th amendment was somehow a judicial invention.

“By what form of law did the founders have the authority in which to revolt against England and break all ties with them?”

Well, the sources they cited in the Declaration of Independence might illuminate us. The law of nature and nature’s God. The traditional rights of Englishmen. The prerogatives of colonial self-administration. There are also indications that they weren’t afforded the usual protections of international law. Probably others.

“And FYI...no one is a citizen of the United States unless he is 1st a citizen of one of the 50 states”

Not true. Have you never heard of federal territory? Barry Goldwater, for instance, was born in Arizona before Arizona was a state. Therefore, he was not a born citizen of any state.

“or in the case of the ratification of the Constitution, one of the 13 states”

That is true, since there was a lag between when people stopped being British subjects and when the Constitution was ratified. i’m not sure how it applies to what we’re discussing.

“Geesh, my 10 yr old granddaughter even knows that one.”

Good for her.

“We’re a bottom up Federal Union, not a top down Federal Union.”

Irrelevant.

“Our Constitution was not written for an all sovereign & powerful central government much to you disliking.”

What? Neither side of this debate denies it’s the federal constitution that controls who gets to be president. Desiring a powerful central government is neither here nor there.


274 posted on 11/12/2010 8:50:37 PM PST by Tublecane
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