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To: WOSG
"Notably, the 14th amendment has the 2 classes of citizens - born or naturalized. That’s it, nothing more!"

Here's the exact text in question:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

I challenge anyone to find the term "natural born citizen" within the text of the Fourteenth Amendment. Since the term "Natural Born Citizen" does not exist in the text, this Amendment cannot possibly change whatever the term "Natural Born Citizen" meant at the time of it's passage. It simply defined two OTHER types of citizenship. period. For someone to claim that this Amendment eliminated the "Natural Born Citizenship" category established by the founders is simply an intent to mislead or distort the FACTS.

Repeat your lies all you want. They won't work in court.

252 posted on 11/12/2010 8:19:10 PM PST by Uncle Sham
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To: Uncle Sham

“Since the term ‘Natural Born Citizen’ does not exist in the text, this Amendment cannot possibly change whatever the term ‘Natural Born Citizen’ meant at the time of it’s passage.”

Not if the words originally meant citizen at birth, as the vast majority of living humans (and an extreme minority of birthers) believes it does. In that case, any change in who constituted a citizen at birth would automatically change who was a natural born citizen.


280 posted on 11/12/2010 8:58:19 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Uncle Sham

“I challenge anyone to find the term “natural born citizen” within the text of the Fourteenth Amendment.”

That’s the point! - there is no ‘special super-duper citizen’ type. We are all equal under the law, and citizens. there are 2 ways to become citizens, and the 14th notes both “born or naturalized” ... and the only legal distinction is that Article II distinction that disallows those who have been naturalized citizens to become President.

It would be an easy 9-0 SCOTUS decision that anyone born a US citizen would be declared eligible, if it ever came up.

“Since the term “Natural Born Citizen” does not exist in the text, this Amendment cannot possibly change whatever the term “Natural Born Citizen” meant at the time of it’s passage.” - Really, so all black people are not natural-born citizens, just plain ol’ citizens. he he he. ... you are not a legal scholar, clearly.

Tell it to Presidential candidate Alan Keyes.

“Most American citizens are birthright citizens, meaning simply that at birth, and without need of any process of naturalization , they are natural born citizens of the United States. In this sense, birthright citizenship cannot be abolished without making citizenship the arbitrary gift of government, rather than a fact arising from unalienable right. The Constitution itself takes cognizance of this natural route to citizenship when it specifies that, except for those who were citizens at the time of its adoption, only natural born citizens shall be eligible for the Office of President of the United States.” - Alan Keyes

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2562728/posts


309 posted on 11/12/2010 9:42:13 PM PST by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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