Posted on 09/27/2010 1:34:18 PM PDT by marbren
(NECN: Washington) - A press conference was held this afternoon at the National Press Club in Washington, where at least a dozen former U.S. Air Force personnel, mostly officers who worked on secret projects connected to sensitive nuclear weapons sites, are admitting that they were privy to UFO and alien-related incidents -- that occurred during their time of service.
In this clip, you will hear from: Retired Air Force Captain Robert Salas, Former Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Dwayne Arneson and Former Air Force Official Bill Jameson
(Excerpt) Read more at necn.com ...
I questioned your original statement of “it does not matter” because I do believe that it does matter since fallen angels/demons are clearly referenced in Scripture but “citizens of other planets” are not...one fits in Scripture cleanly the other doesn't. IMHO
As far as your heart...that is between you and God. What I was referencing was Post 388 where you stated; “the Scripture has been the abiding truely truest and only truly true TRUTH most of my life. However, that's...LARGELY an intellectual conviction with a significant amount of FAITH CONFIDENCE inwardly that Scripture is God's Word and Therefore True. That doesn't necessarily have much impact on the heart.” If that last line does not match up with “does not affect the heart much” I apologize. I thought I had the basic idea...but maybe not. Like I said...that is between you and God.
I do have a concern about your other post 497 where you basically want to know if I have a mental disorder (OCD). This is very disappointing to me. You ping me onto several of these posts about UFO’s after I had asked to be removed from your ping lists weeks before. We then have an on going discussion where I try to show you my point of view and to explain it...I have as a result been accused of being on a high horse, having a mental disorder (Obsessive-compulsive disorder), and now not understanding or communicating with my children well (why even bring them into this). Honestly, Quix, I do not see this as good Christian communication...and I have seen it on other posts that have been made to other people...that is why I had originally asked to be taken off of your ping lists weeks ago. I will continue to pray for you but think that it is best that I take a breather for now.
God bless
Amen
God bless
Au Contraire . . .
Though it will likely be interesting when some are forced to wake-up.
However,
I’m happy to be redemptively slapped by anyone
THE LORD SENDS to do so.
Thanks for your kind and meaty response.
NO. I understand those assumptions about the Vatican are not very accurate.
My undrestandings about the Vatican’s perspective on the critters comes from a diversity of sources. However, the greater weight I attach is to the private communications between protected Vatican sources close to the Pope who have had a great number of conversations with Paola Harris.
I don’t consider it an absolutely open and shut case . . . but it is very close to that. I know that Paola is one of the highest integrity researchers and interviewers on the topic that there is. She’s also very down to earth, practical and doesn’t put much stock in hoopla, arrogance, grandstanding etc. She wants the facts and in the person’s own words to tell the story.
I believe it is 98-99.9% certain that the Vatican from the Pope down has reached the conclusion that the critters are benign to wonderful and will cooperate with them regarding whatever globalist agenda they are involved with.
That is plenty dreadful, to me. And should be to any RC, imho.
Cheers.
Personally, I don’t see OCD and perfectionism as I was asking about them as a huge deal depending on degree. I asked about them because you seemed to be fairly perfectionist about the issues we were discussing. I thought and think that such feedback might be useful to you. You seemed to care enough to give me feedback you thought useful to me. I care enough to return the favor.
I could have said perfectionistic without the OCD label. I’ve owned largely oversoming some degree of OCD tendencies earlier in my life, by God’s Grace. In a lot of ways, I think OCD has lots a lot of its precision as a term—a lot like schizophrenia. I would have been better to have just said perfectionism. I’m sorry I didn’t.
My “. . . That doesn’t necessarily have much impact on the heart.” was about a specific aspect of spiritual life and relationship with GOD—FEELING HIS LOVE routinely, intensely, confidently, or not. Your assertion sounded like none of my relationship with God impacted my heart at all, which is far from true.
God’s best to you, too.
I have found this thread very interesting. Please accept my comments for what they are, an observation of the reaction of Free Republic posters to the original title of the thread.
It appears the main reaction to the press conference has been a religious one. I see no responses such as I would have expected from a thread about FBI or NSA intrusions. In other words, no type of milita reaction. No “We have to prepare to defend ourselves”, etc.
No extended post related to any serious science issues, other than a couple of quick comments.
Another interesting thing is the attribution of demonic or One World Order themes to this conference. I must of missed it, but when asked if the panel thought we should be against nukes, I only saw a couple of hands go up. Not any more percentage that I would guess you would get from any group with a military background. If the events were real, there is nothing that indicates the “aliens” were anti-nuke, only that they demonstrated they could be disarmed by them. They were not damaged. The only thing that I could conclude they were communicating is:”we are here, we can disarm your most powerful weapons.” No messages broadcast, no one heard anything said in their heads, no beings appeared, nada.
Even if you bring in abductions I don’t see any “messages” related to them. Most are related as: They took me. They proded and poked me. They took samples of me. They made me forget it. They “said it wouldn’t hurt but it did”. They did not seem to really care one way or the other. I don’t get where all the evil and demon stuff comes from until you start getting into the accounts of some who frankly seem to be off the deep end anyway.
So I guess my final question would be. If there are really other intelligent life forms out there that are simply God’s creatures just as we are, only more technically advanced that have traveled here, how are they to make themselves known without being branded devils and demons? We cannot believe anything they say since the first assumption is they are liars.
Not one shred of physical evidence. Nothing. Nada. The only "visitor" to this planet was Jesus Christ and we crucified the Creator.
If you expended half as much energy defending our Lord as you do the non-existent aliens, you would be saving souls rather than losing them.
I'll come back to that comment in a sec...but in general you raise a very interesting point.
Considering the press conference, why hasn't this thread focused on the facts of the conference? Why did it seeming veer off into religion and demonology?
I suggest the reason for such veering off is because many on FR have come to the conclusion that the evidence points to the concept that, most likely, these so called aliens are not aliens, but creatures pretending to be aliens. Furthermore, a careful analysis of the actions and unspoken communications of these creatures leaves many with the rather clear impression that they are creatures from another dimension (specifically...demons).
Now back to your comment about the "assumption that they are liars".
First of all, in the accounts of "alien" abductions recorded by Dr. John Mack (deceased, Harvard Prof, Psychiatrist), Budd Hopkins, and Prof. David Jacobs (Temple Univ), many if not most of the abductees describe the "gray aliens" most frequently and most saliently as "liars." It seems the reasons for this description range from a misstatement of original intent to dishonesty about their objective to basic dishonesty about their identity. It has also been concluded by many abductees that, whoever these creatures are, they have a general, perhaps almost mocking, proclivity for lying.
One additional point.
The abduction accounts do not indicate a general "taking of samples"...but a taking of sperm and eggs and a specific obsession with all thing sexual and reproductive. There is a complete disregard of the impact of the abduction on the persons being abducted such that the abductee most commonly characterizes the experience as a rape. BTW, those abducted are abducted over their entire life spans and they often learn that such abductions run for generations in the same families.
As a final point.
As John Mack said (to paraphrase), "I am not sure what is going on...but something is clearly happening to millions, perhaps tens of millions of people."
Here are a couple of quotes which I think sum up nicely one abductees initial impressions of these aliens.
"I felt an absolutely indescribable sense of menace. It was hell on earth to be there [in the presence of the entities], and yet I couldn't move, couldn't cry out, couldn't get away. I'd lay as still as death, suffering inner agonies. Whatever was there seemed so monstrously ugly, so filthy and dark and sinister. Of course they were demons. They had to be. And they were here and I couldn't get away."- Whitley Strieber, Transformation, p. 181
"Increasingly I felt as if I were entering a struggle that might even be more than life and death. It might be a struggle for my soul, my essence, or whatever part of me might have reference to the eternal. There are worse things than death, I suspected... so far the word demon had never been spoken among the scientists and doctors who were working with me...Alone at night I worried about the legendary cunning of demons ...At the very least I was going stark, raving mad."
- Whitley Strieber, Transformation, p. 44-45
Shame on you for passing judgment on a man who believes he is indeed doing what the Lord is calling him to do.
In your limited experience, you may not understand and it may even seem strange to you, but there are many things in the world you and I do not understand.
If you believe Brother Quix is mistaken in his work, ask him go to the Lord in prayer.
But if, in fact, Quix is doing the Lord's work, it is you who is damaging that effort!
Long story, short...don't meddle with what you don't understand. Don't presume your devotion to the Lord makes you an authority on all the Lord's work.
Thanks for the link. We see through a glass dimly but Gerald Schroeder cleared up my glasses a bit. One thought that intrigues me, which is not covered by Rabbi Schroeder, is the concept that the only reason we have time is because we die.
Quix, Are the Raelians and Vatican in agreement that Aliens are good?
Thank You
IF THIS WERE TRUE, I'd be happy to applaud and cheer you on:
It would be wonderful to me, if JESUS THE CHRIST, CREATOR OF ALL THAT IS had been the only off-planet visitor. THANKFULLY, HE'S GOD AND IS STILL IN CONTROL REGARDLESS.
NYer:
Not one shred of physical evidence. Nothing. Nada
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It's just abundantly NOT TRUE--FAR from true. That's just the facts. Your disbelief of the facts doesn't change the facts.
3,000-4,000 trace landing cases have been investigated with rigorous scientific thoroughness. I've met that head researcher face to face. He's almost boringly, methodically solid.
And, this kind of testimony (below link) is very solid and consistent with 10's of thousands of cases and with many thousands of pages of documents . . . as well as with a growing body of tangible artifact and medically verified cases.
And, now, the Vatican is increasingly on the same page as most of the best known researchers about such goings on.
Here's an update on CNN from the conference Monday:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT14dZ7-7YU&feature=player_embedded
It appears from where I sit, that the disclosure effort is ramping up in speed and intensity. Before too many months--1-3 years at most???, I'd say, NYer, that you'll have absolutely no choice but to believe that the critters on the nightly news are either from another 'spiritual' dimension and/or other worlds/dimensions. There will be little other choice--short of denying reality in general and I certainly don't recommend that.
THAT CONCERNS ME. We may differ about lots of stuff vis a vis the Vatican and Mary etc. However, regardless of my sensibilities about how you do it, you claim to serve Jesus Christ my Lord. THAT MEANS I CARE FOR YOU AS A SISTER AND DO *NOT* WANT YOU SNOOKERED NOR MANGLED by what's coming down the Pike. I feel that way about all the RC's on FR--even those who go for my jugular at first sight of my screen name. The stakes are enormous.
Thanks for your kind reply.
Sanity involves accepting reality
as it REALLY IS and dealing with it resonsibly, constructively.
DENIAL is not usually considered a great building block of sanity—quite the opposite.
It appears the main reaction to the press conference has been a religious one. I see no responses such as I would have expected from a thread about FBI or NSA intrusions. In other words, no type of milita reaction. No “We have to prepare to defend ourselves”, etc.
I believe French scientist Jaque Vallee was one of the first solid researchers who very reluctantly came to the conclusion after years of study into the phenomena--that we were, in fact, dealing with an essentially spiritual phenomena from a 'spiritual dimension.' He's right, of course.
It appears to be the case that the powers that be have decided [there was reportedly a split the last few years between them--some for disclosure and half against--evidently they've decided to disclose--or been ordered to--or realized that the critters are going to make it a moot issue if they don't--so they'd better be at least slightly ahead of the curve before the critters beat them to it.
Therefore, the NSA/FBI types so relentlessly tasked with harrassing, intimidating and threatening to exterminate the whole extended family of whistleblowers--have been told to lay off, now--at least mostly.
No extended post related to any serious science issues, other than a couple of quick comments.
I don't think the typical scientist or even science minded layman has sufficient categories or heuristics or schemas with which to make functional sense out of all this.
Many are typically so locked into their narrow, rigic, biased tunnel vision that they are not very willing to admit that there's life outside THEIR particular tunnel view.I think many 'know' better but are not willing to face it--certainly not quite yet. They are still in some level of incredulity to shock that their paradigms & constructs may just very much no longer FIT REALITY.
And, even those who are accepting of reality or beginning to accept reality--may not yet have words and understandings to put to it all sufficient to allow them a sensible comment on a public forum.
Another interesting thing is the attribution of demonic or One World Order themes to this conference. I must of missed it, but when asked if the panel thought we should be against nukes, I only saw a couple of hands go up. Not any more percentage that I would guess you would get from any group with a military background. If the events were real, there is nothing that indicates the “aliens” were anti-nuke, only that they demonstrated they could be disarmed by them. They were not damaged. The only thing that I could conclude they were communicating is:”we are here, we can disarm your most powerful weapons.” No messages broadcast, no one heard anything said in their heads, no beings appeared, nada.
I think that's a great and perceptive observation.
However, it's also not consistent with the vast literature on the subject. The critters are ON ABUNDANT RECORD at being against nukes. There are even multiple sourced reports that they assert that our nukes somehow cause a rip in the fabric of reality that puts at some hazard the whole scheme of things and at least the stability of the multiverse in some important sense &/or the stability of their 'system' across the multiverse. Precisely what is unclear but there's repeated alarm expressed about such stuff. Who knows if it's more lies and disinformation or partially or wholly true or what.
Reportedly, the first group of critters in contact with President Ike INSISTED that we give up our nukes AND that they would NOT share technologies with us as we could not handle their technologies constructively. General Ike, of course, would not tolerate giving up our nukes and rendering us utterly helpless before an unknown very foreign ET threat.
Consequently, another group did offer to share technologies in exchange for unlimited 'rights' . . . by treaty . . . to abduct Americans at will. They agreed to a set amount and to provide the government a list of abductees and the details on each abduction to the government at the end of each year. The government later discovered with dismay that the ET's were lying and were abducting far far more than agreed to. Alas, the government was helpless to do more than whine about it.
I think the nuke issue is interesting but probably also misdirection or at least far from the whole story. It may well be part of the threat/coercian to press the world's citizens into a global government--to avoid or lessen--say after a partial world nuclear war--to press the world into the global government for the survival of the species and the planet.
I was told by a fellow Navyman in 1971 that we had 11 DIFFERENT weapons systems--EACH ONE OF WHICH WAS MORE AWESOME AND DEVASTATING THAN NUKES.
I think they will be playing the nuke angle for a variety of reasons. Clearly they are on abundant record as being dead set against nukes. Certainly they can neutralize our nukes in a list of ways. Incidentally, they have also provided technology which makes nuclear waste a minor problem no greater than conventional waste.
BTW, when I say "They have, they do, they say. . ." etc. I mean that I have read sufficient diverse sourced convincing materials and listened to sufficient convincing testimony that I believe such to be true.
Even if you bring in abductions I don’t see any “messages” related to them. Most are related as: They took me. They proded and poked me. They took samples of me. They made me forget it. They “said it wouldn’t hurt but it did”. They did not seem to really care one way or the other. I don’t get where all the evil and demon stuff comes from until you start getting into the accounts of some who frankly seem to be off the deep end anyway.
Actually, that's a very partial picture. You may not be aware . . . Guy Malone has documented 400 cases where the Blood of Jesus, the Name of Jesus have halted and/or prevented abductions--many that have gone on in families through the generations. His website is:
He also surveyed ALL the better known researchers in the field about whether they knew of such cases. THEY ALL DID. BUT FORBID HIM FROM SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT IT CONNECTED WITH THEIR NAMES.
There's one case where the husband wakes up a bit with his sleeping wife next to him--he wakes up enough to see a typical grey materializing at the end of his bed. Inexplicably he falls back asleep--only to wake up evidently shortly--hoisted up in the air some distance with a big stiff probe up his rear.
In great terror he remembers something from Sunday School long ago and shouts out something like IN THE NAME OF JESUS STOP THAT--GET AWAY FROM ME--and the probe is withdrawn so rapidly that he falls back to his bed waking his wife--and the critters have disappeared.
Guy has documented that in every case where a purported authentic Christian has been abducted, there has been some dabbling in the occult which gave the enemy's forces some sort of spiritually legal entre into their lives. This is true of . . . was it the Cortile case? I forget the name--a purportedly famous case of a purportedly authentic Christian. It turns out, she'd assented to an occultic interpretation of reality early on.
So I guess my final question would be. If there are really other intelligent life forms out there that are simply God’s creatures just as we are, only more technically advanced that have traveled here, how are they to make themselves known without being branded devils and demons? We cannot believe anything they say since the first assumption is they are liars.
No! It is NOT mere assumption that they are liars. Even military generals etc. and a long list of whistleblowers have asserted for decades that the critters chronically LIE, LIE, LIE. . . . in addition to breaking treaties.
They have persistently made paredictions to government officials that this or that grand catastrophic event or some other dramatic event would happen within a set time or on a set day--with nothing whatsoever occurring consistent with said ET predictions.
One of the most consistent things about the critters is that they LIE--they lie to the government and to their abductees. Big surprise. Their boss is the father of lies.
One of the shocking brazenly horrific examples of supreme stupidity--is that--even though the globalist puppet masters know that the critters chronically lie--THEY STILL BELIEVE AND OBEY THEM ABOUT NEEDING TO EXTERMINATE ALL BUT 200 MILLION OF EARTH'S CITIZENS IN ORDER TO SAVE HUMANITY AND THE PLANET. WHAT TREASONOUS STUPIDITY!
Thanks tons for your thoughtful and perceptive post.
EXCELLENT POINTS WELL SUPPORTED IN THE LITERATURE. ABUNDANTLY SUPPORTED.
THANKS TONS FOR YOUR KIND ENCOURAGEMENT
toward my obeying the Lord in this challenging thankless assignment.
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