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Skulls show New World was settled twice: study
Yahoo ^ | Monday, June 14, 2010 | AFP

Posted on 06/15/2010 6:36:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

Two distinct groups from Asia settled in the New World and not one single migration as suggested by previous genetic studies, experts said Monday after comparing the skulls of early Americans.

Paleoanthropologists from Brazil, Chile and Germany compared the skulls of several dozen Paleoamericans, dating back to the early days of migration 11,000 years ago, with the more recent remains of more than 300 Amerindians.

"We found that the differences between Early and Late Native American groups match the predictions of a two-migration scenario far better than they do those of any other hypothesis," they said.

"In other words, these differences are so large that it is highly improbable that the earliest inhabitants of the New World were the direct ancestors of recent Native American populations."

Their landmark research found differences in the cranial morphology that could only be explained by the fact that the last common ancestor of the Early and Late Native American groups came from outside the continent.

The experts agreed the differences were best explained by a scenario in which a first wave of settlers came across the Bering Strait from Northeast Asia followed by a second group from East Asia much later via the same route.

"We conclude that the morphological diversity documented through time in the New World is best accounted for by a model postulating two waves of human expansion into the continent originating in East Asia and entering through Beringia," they said.

"This disparity between our results and those of most genetic studies points to a large gap in our understanding of the peopling of the New World."

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


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To: Grig
Yeah, ok...

Meanwhile in the NON fiction anthropological section this is scientifically interesting...

41 posted on 06/16/2010 7:23:21 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: SunkenCiv
Wonder if these guys were included in the study?

Both are apparently American

42 posted on 06/16/2010 7:34:23 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Ostracize Democrats. There can be no Democrat friends.)
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To: bert
Who Was First

Brazil, 11,500 Year Old Luzia

43 posted on 06/16/2010 7:46:24 AM PDT by blam
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To: Varda
All over the Pacific too:

New Lapita Find Re-dates Known Fiji Settlers (Jomon/Ainu)

44 posted on 06/16/2010 7:50:30 AM PDT by blam
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To: miliantnutcase

maybe they never mixed, but the first group died out in N America?


45 posted on 06/16/2010 7:51:17 AM PDT by Cronos (Origen(200AD)"The Church received from theApostles the tradition of giving Baptism even to infants")
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To: muawiyah
The way I see it, the only remaining question about American settlement before Columbus is what kind of boats did they use?

Here's an example, good for one way travel:


46 posted on 06/16/2010 11:59:45 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: cripplecreek

“3 times.
I count us because it was no different than any of the other times.”

Well, I’m not entirely on the same page with you. Having both an Indian and Anglo side to my acestry, I’ll submit that my Anglo ancestors did a lot better job of it.

Western civilization, and Christian religion have it all over aboriginal lifestyles, and animist religions. Just my opinion, but I would have been dead within a year if I’d been born into the Cherokee tribe 300 years back.

Not terribly interested in starting a casino, but I never viewed such an operation as an icon of a society. ;-)


47 posted on 06/16/2010 12:52:25 PM PDT by Habibi ("It is vain to do with more what can be done with less." - William of Occam)
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To: Habibi

At least the europeans settled here by choice.


48 posted on 06/16/2010 12:54:13 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: blam
If they foun Honky skulls in North America...How now, Horatio! you tremble and look pale: Is not this something more than fantasy? What think you on't?

I love the Bard, a quote for everything.

49 posted on 06/16/2010 1:20:47 PM PDT by Little Bill (Harry Browne is a poofter)
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To: Varda
I’ve taken more than one class in North American archaeology and this was never covered or mentioned. What was mentioned is that there are quite a number of fraudulent claims involving European or Middle Eastern people in the ancient new world. If there were really 7ft red haired people found it would be an exciting find but my suspicion is that this belongs in the Jackalope wing of the museum.

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The Lovelock skulls are available for anyone to see. They are housed at the Humboldt Museum in Winnemucca Nevada. 175 W Jungo Rd, Winnemucca, Nevada, 89445, United States.

You'll find a small, barely marked collection of the artifacts (arrowheads, etc.) on the second floor, in the display case by the window.

The skulls themselves are kept in a back room, where the curator stores them out of view so as "not to offend the Indians." I've been told that if you ask her about them she'll lead you downstairs to her office, where she keeps them unceremoniously lined up in a cabinet.

I was crossing Nevada last month with the hopes of seeing them myself, on our way to California, but the Museum closed at 4:30 that day. The curator offered to stay until we got there, but we were still 2 hours out. She was very nice. She confirmed over the phone about the skulls.


50 posted on 06/16/2010 2:35:32 PM PDT by Ripliancum (I'm not ignoring you, just taking good counsel. - Proverbs 15:1-4)
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To: Old Student

There are many accounts of red haired giants or mummies being found, all over the world. How much can believed is another story.


51 posted on 06/16/2010 2:37:22 PM PDT by Ripliancum (I'm not ignoring you, just taking good counsel. - Proverbs 15:1-4)
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To: dog breath
Can't place it at the moment but a recent scientific article noted that skull shape in populations changes over time ~ it's not locked in genetically.

Over thousands of years a resident population can go from long to broad skulls ~ and then back again.

52 posted on 06/16/2010 4:03:01 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Varda
Oh those silly morphologists!

Back when physical shapes were all you had to go on, it was cutting edge science; although a bit arbitrary as to the weighting of different morphological factors, at least it was somewhat useful.

Now there is DNA. DNA is not arbitrary, and the findings can be pretty conclusive.

This is one of the last gasps of the great morphologists!

53 posted on 06/16/2010 4:06:31 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: Ripliancum
Human beings can have one or both of two quite different genes for producing pigment. You can have black-brown or yellow-red pigment ~ or both.

The Neanderthals apparantly had only the yellow-red pigment. They lived in various places in Eur-Asia. They didn't live in Africa, but they made it to New Guinea.

Now, about exceptionally large individuals, both the Iriquoian and Mohican warrior elites were about 7 feet tall.

This happened by means of selective "adoptions". It was very difficult for warrior elites to maintain themselves through normal reproduction back in the good old days so they simply went out and captured children who looked promising and brought them up in their warrior societies.

The Iriquoian 6 nations preyed on the far more numerous non-confederation Mingo Indians found in the Ohio and Kanawah Valleys. The Mohican did something similar throughout New England.

The ancient Spartans had the same dilemma ~ so it was common to more or less "borrow a womb" or 2, or 3, or a bunch to create more descendants than would otherwise be normal ~ and thereby have more promising newcomers to join the elite at a later time.

Remember, the Spartans were prone to murder any blemished newborns, and that sort of thing definitely hurt their rate of reproduction. The Leftwingtards are dying out for the same reason.

54 posted on 06/16/2010 4:10:07 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Ripliancum; Varda

(9,400 Year Old) Spirit Cave Man

55 posted on 06/16/2010 4:21:08 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Penon Woman
56 posted on 06/16/2010 4:30:34 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
He kind of looks like Jean-Luc Picard. Lots of good ancient boneage coming our of Nevada, eh?


57 posted on 06/16/2010 4:36:28 PM PDT by Ripliancum (I'm not ignoring you, just taking good counsel. - Proverbs 15:1-4)
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To: Ripliancum
More Like Kennewick Man.


58 posted on 06/16/2010 4:48:52 PM PDT by blam
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To: wolfcreek

/bingo


59 posted on 06/16/2010 6:21:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Ripliancum
“There are many accounts of red haired giants or mummies being found, all over the world. How much can believed is another story.”

I've seen pictures recently, here on FR IIRC, linked from one of the archaeological sites. Giants only if you consider 6’ giant. Having a grandfather whose nickname was “Red” I'm inclined to believe such things are possible.

60 posted on 06/16/2010 6:26:23 PM PDT by Old Student
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