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Joni Mitchell Sets Us Straight: Bob Dylan "A Plagiarist," Americans "Stupid and Shallow"
gather.com ^ | 042610 | Kevin Zimmerman

Posted on 04/26/2010 6:26:23 PM PDT by Artemis Webb

"What is the big deal about Bob Dylan?" Julia Schrenkler wondered on Gather.com three years ago. Well, according to fellow folkie Joni Mitchell, he's a plagiarizing fraud.

"Bob is not authentic at all," Mitchell tells the Los Angeles Times. "He's a plagiarist, and his name and voice are fake. Everything about Bob is a deception. We are like night and day, he and I."

True, Dylan's name is a "fake" -- he was born Robert ... um, Zimmerman -- but he'd have to be some kind of crazy to invent a voice like his current subterranean croak. Let's assume she's talking about his Woody Guthrie-isms of the '60s, just to be on the safe side.

But Mitchell (birth name: Roberta Joan Anderson, btw) doesn't restrict her remarks to male performers of her generation, letting us know that "Grace [Slick] and Janis Joplin were [sleeping with] their whole bands and falling down drunk."

Well, yes, but what of the Canadian-born Mitchell's own work? Time for a little self-examination, perhaps?

"My work is set against the stupid, destructive way we live on this planet," she announces. "Americans have decided to be stupid and shallow since 1980. Madonna is like Nero; she marks the turning point."

Ladies and gentlemen, Joni Mitchell: Special Ranting 2010 Edition. Approach her at your own risk...

(Excerpt) Read more at knittingcrochet.gather.com ...


TOPICS: Music/Entertainment
KEYWORDS: bobdylan; graceslick; janisjoplin; jonimitchell
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To: Artemis Webb

Joni this is your fellow Canadian John Vernon calling from the great beyond...Old, bitchy and bitter is no way to go through life my dear.

81 posted on 04/26/2010 7:33:02 PM PDT by xp38
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To: Windflier
Joni Mitchell was using some bizarre tunings, chords, and progressions for the time, and every guitar slinger of the time noticed it (including yours truly).

And she played Martin guitars for the most part. I loved the full, rich sound (partly due to the open tunings she used). It was the early 70s, and I was in love with her guitar playing. I couldn't afford a D-28, so I bought a D-18.

82 posted on 04/26/2010 7:35:50 PM PDT by behzinlea
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To: xp38
L O L ! ~ Joni & Bob ~ ... i love'em both.


83 posted on 04/26/2010 7:40:27 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: ETL

Dylan #1, Sinatra #2, Louis Armstrong #3, Ella Fitzgerald #4, Johnny Cash #5, the rest don’t matter.


84 posted on 04/26/2010 7:42:30 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Artemis Webb
Madonna is like Nero; she marks the turning point."

I have to agree on Madonna...LOL

85 posted on 04/26/2010 7:43:52 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: northwinds

Beautiful...

Here’s another:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2kUySnZ-Jw&NR=1


86 posted on 04/26/2010 7:44:26 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: northwinds

Awesome!


87 posted on 04/26/2010 7:46:07 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: scott says

For not liking Bob, she didn’t mind touring with him and Van Morrison back in the 1990s. She came on After Van’s set, but I didn’t hear any of her songs. I was in the beer tent the whole time.


88 posted on 04/26/2010 7:46:34 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Windflier

Well if Jimmy Page was impressed - I don’t want to get into the “who’s greatest” argument here - but let’s just say that he knows his stuff :)


89 posted on 04/26/2010 7:47:38 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: aruanan
Did she do Court and Spark?

Yes, she did.

90 posted on 04/26/2010 7:48:55 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

Well Robert Plant must’ve liked Janis, because on the early Zep records he basically did a male imitation of her.


91 posted on 04/26/2010 7:50:30 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: pissant
Dylan #1, Sinatra #2, Louis Armstrong #3, Ella Fitzgerald #4, Johnny Cash #5, the rest don’t matter.

Lol! I was wondering when you'd get here!

PS: have you ever had your ears checked for wax buildup? :)

92 posted on 04/26/2010 7:50:38 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: pissant
I went to the show in San Jose,CA.
Both Van and Bob were great....Joni was horrible!
I couldn't listen to her drivel and hit the bar as well, unfortunately, the music was piped in there and I tried to drown it out.
93 posted on 04/26/2010 7:50:53 PM PDT by scott says (Barack ODRAMA--the politics of Fear and Loathing)
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To: dfwgator

And Janis was imitating Bessie Smith, Big Mama Thornton and many others. Which gets back to my point of that everybody is basically imitating everyone else. Sometimes it’s unconscious, sometimes not, but it’s always there.


94 posted on 04/26/2010 7:53:22 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Artemis Webb
"Americans have decided to be stupid and shallow since 1980. Madonna is like Nero; she marks the turning point."

Then give back to America all the money that we spent on your records.

95 posted on 04/26/2010 7:54:01 PM PDT by donna (SarahPAC has donated money to...(wait for it)...Lindsey Graham!)
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To: behzinlea
And she played Martin guitars for the most part. I loved the full, rich sound (partly due to the open tunings she used).

Yep. In those days, the Martin was the last word in acoustic guitars.

Like you, I could never afford one, but I had a friend who owned one, and I used to end up writing new songs every time I played it, the tone inspired me so much.

Martins are still my favorite acoustics to this day.

96 posted on 04/26/2010 7:54:26 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: scott says

My condolences! LOL


97 posted on 04/26/2010 7:56:45 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Artemis Webb

It really is sad watching these aging hippies trying to remain relevant.


98 posted on 04/26/2010 7:59:42 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: Kimmers
Old Rock Star Whine....

Even worse, Old FOLK Star Whine. Folk artists from the 60's believed they were the arbiters of what was just and right in the world. I guess she's mad at Bob Dylan, because he says he wasn't into the 'change the world' mentality of the folks artists of the time, even though they co-opted his music for their own use.

99 posted on 04/26/2010 8:11:35 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Artemis Webb

Not much sympathy here. Joni is as fake as Dylan in the name department, as promiscuous as Janis and Grace in their day. She’s still an earnest “save-the-planet” moonbat. At least Dylan grew up.


100 posted on 04/26/2010 8:11:49 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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