First Molars Provide Insight Into Evolution of Great Apes, Humans

ScienceDaily ^ | Tuesday, December 29, 2009 | Arizona State University, via EurekAlert

[SunkenCiv]

The timing of molar emergence and its relation to growth and reproduction in apes is being reported by two scientists at Arizona State University's Institute of Human Origins in the Dec. 28 online early edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS). From the smallest South American monkeys to the largest African apes, the timing of molar development and eruption is closely attuned to many fundamental aspects of a primate's biology, according to Gary Schwartz, a researcher at the Institute of Human Origins and an associate professor in the School of Human Evolution and Social Change in ASU's College of Liberal Arts and Sciences... Because of the difficulties in obtaining tooth emergence ages from animals in the wild, Kelley opted for other means; he searched for specimens in museums. At the Zoologische Staatssammlung in Munich he found skulls of a wild-shot orangutan (Pongo pygmaeus pygmaeus) and gorilla (Gorilla gorilla gorilla) that preserved emerging first molars... the two scientists were able to mark the age of the gorilla's first molar emergence at 3.8 years, nearly identical to that of a wild chimpanzee's. The orangutan's age at first molar emergence was surprisingly much later, at 4.6 years, which falls closer to the age of approximately 6 years in modern humans... However, he and Schwartz caution that though the later emergence age in these large Asian apes is closer to that for modern humans, these latest findings should not be taken to indicate some special evolutionary relationship between the two.

[FreeperFlirt]

not I but its funny how libs can argue about the color of the sky ><>

[freedumb2003]

>> What puts you in a position to feel that you’re qualified to straighten out everyone’s thinking on science who disagrees with you?<<

If you have a scientific disagreement with what I post (not your normal sophistry), lets hear it.

>>By your own admission, you don’t have a degree or any job experience in scientific fields, hence we can safely conclude that you don’t know what you’re talking about when speaking on scientific matters.<<

And yet, I know more than you and your ilk. You can support YEC all you want with apologetics but even the casual observer can tell I know of what I speak and you speak through forked and ignorant tongue.

[freedumb2003]

>>All youv’e demonstrated so far is that you worship at the altar of evolutionism.<<

And you worship at the altar of willful ignorance.

To each his own, I suppose.

[Larry Lucido]

I don’t see your keyboard in the Bible either, so get the f#$% off it, before you get cast into the lake of fire, you damned heathen!!!!!!!!!!!!

[freedumb2003]

>>simple I believe Gods word is inspired by God which is the KJV, do you think God is not smart enough to give us his word we can’t read?<<

So, answer my simple questions. If the KJV is the literal word of God, explain what a “day” is (nom) and then you can answer where in the Bible the simple scientific questions I put to you are answered.

You believe the Bible to be a scientific text. I believe it to be a theological and philosophical one. You have already made my case. Make yours.

[freedumb2003]

>>I don’t see your keyboard in the Bible either, so get the f#$% off it, before you get cast into the lake of fire, you damned heathen!!!!!!!!!!!!<<

Finally, the voice of reason!!!! My knuckles are crinkling as we speak!

[freedumb2003]

>> Even if it implies it, that doesn’t raise it to the level that he actually SAID it, and therefore your demand that he support a contention that you claim he made because you thought he implied it is ludicrous.<<

Your sophistry is in fine form.

>>BTW, courtesy ping to those about whom fd is referring but failing to ping, himself. <<

I am not going to keep track of all the people who attack me from all sides. responding to the person who posts to me. Netiquette merely says that one pings someone referred to by name in the post.

But it is ALWAYS gratifying to see your stalking of me. I am glad I am important in your life. If I give your life meaning, then that is a new job I am happy to take on.

[valkyry1]

One problem with your self image is you never do any science. Most of your post history is filled with personal attacks and the sort of fluff like you started off on this thread with “I ain’t descended from no monkey” crowd in 3...2...1... (they’re so cute LOL)

[freedumb2003]

>>One problem with your self image is you never do any science. <<

You might want to read my posts.

>>Most of your post history is filled with personal attacks and the sort of fluff like you started off on this thread with “I ain’t descended from no monkey” crowd in 3...2...1... (they’re so cute LOL)<<

And yet, here you are. You can argue my methods, but my predictive powers are clearly dead on.

[valkyry1]

stalking? your a fairly kooky fellow there fd

Do us all a favor and go back to DC. You can spew about metmom and everybody else you hate over here at your hearts content.

[FreeperFlirt]

did you just bump your head? you better go get help

[valkyry1]

Readers of chicken guts are secure in their ‘predictive powers’ too.

[Larry Lucido]

Out of fairness, FD predicted the (predictable) thread hijack which came, lo and behold, IMMEDIATELY after his prediction.

[freedumb2003]

>>did you just bump your head? you better go get help<<

That is a good answer to the specific questions I put to you. I suggest you go with it and slink away while mm (duly pinged) covers for you.

[freedumb2003]

>>Readers of chicken guts are secure in their ‘predictive powers’ too.<<

Dang! When did you discover my secret? I tried tea leaves but I just kept getting “the duck flies at midnight” no matter what.

[FreeperFlirt]

I think you lack one thing my dear and its quite simple. is the sky blue? and if so why do you believe it? reminds me of the show are you smarter than a 5th grader~~~~

[freedumb2003]

>>Do us all a favor and go back to DC. You can spew about metmom and everybody else you hate over here at your hearts content.<<

I don’t hate her (duly pinged). I pity her and her very bitter soul. I prat for her nightly and hope that one day she won’t open a discussion (especially those not invited) with a shrewish, bitter comment.

I will pray for it, but won’t bank on it.

[valkyry1]

Thats because he’s the one that hijacked it.

[FreeperFlirt]

Well I’m knew here so I don’t know the ropes yet and I’m a girl so now you know and I believe Gods word over man so sue me ><>

[freedumb2003]

>>I think you lack one thing my dear and its quite simple. is the sky blue? and if so why do you believe it? reminds me of the show are you smarter than a 5th grader~~~~ <<

Well, if changing the subject is how you react, then I am good with it. You say the Bible is a scientific text, but can’t reference any science. You quote the Bible as a literal authority but cannot literally quote it. Standard fare for the pompous undereducated.

The sky is blue because it reflects the sea. Or at least that is the result I get when I apply “creation science” to the question.