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Flying Saucers From Hell
forteantimes.com ^ | June 2006 | Dr David Clarke

Posted on 08/20/2009 12:04:03 PM PDT by Nikas777

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1 posted on 08/20/2009 12:04:06 PM PDT by Nikas777
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To: Quix

ping


2 posted on 08/20/2009 12:04:52 PM PDT by Nikas777 (En touto nika, "In this, be victorious")
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To: Nikas777
FRingie ping.
3 posted on 08/20/2009 12:06:07 PM PDT by ZX12R
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To: Nikas777; Quix

Where do people get the idea that Satan and his demons rule over a Kingdom of Hell like God and his angels rule over a Kingdom of Heaven?


4 posted on 08/20/2009 12:07:14 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Nikas777

after the first sentence I realized it wasn’t a joke...and the bible talks about “angels” impregnating women (doesn’t it?). oy. should I read this? it’s awfully long...


5 posted on 08/20/2009 12:08:14 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (this slope is getting slippereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...)
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To: aruanan

Quite right?


6 posted on 08/20/2009 12:08:20 PM PDT by jjm2111
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To: Nikas777

Everyone knows that flying saucers come from Eric Cartman’s butt.


7 posted on 08/20/2009 12:08:28 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: the invisib1e hand

powerful-delusion alert.


8 posted on 08/20/2009 12:13:34 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (this slope is getting slippereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...)
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To: aruanan
Where do people get the idea that Satan and his demons rule over a Kingdom of Hell like God and his angels rule over a Kingdom of Heaven?

Could be they take Jesus' word for it:

Mat 12:26 If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand?

9 posted on 08/20/2009 12:14:13 PM PDT by rjsimmon (1-20-2013 The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: bigbob
I thought it was a big radar-dish thing that came from Cartmann's butt.

Although the aliens DID get a bit gropey with him.


10 posted on 08/20/2009 12:14:41 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: aruanan

Er...Saul Alinsky?


11 posted on 08/20/2009 12:20:03 PM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies
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To: aruanan

Its all part of a well rounded education.


12 posted on 08/20/2009 12:20:13 PM PDT by himno hero
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To: aruanan

Where do you get the idea he doesn’t?

Certainly you have a point that Scripture doesn’t per se indicate that he does as typically envisioned.

He’s on a very short leash.

However, Scripture also indicates that within his boundaries and roles . . . he has authority.

So, it’s not a tooooooooo far fetched conjecture.


13 posted on 08/20/2009 12:26:10 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: aruanan
Where do people get the idea that Satan and his demons rule over a Kingdom of Hell like God and his angels rule over a Kingdom of Heaven?

From the same place they get the idea that...

1) Adam and Eve bit into an apple, causing them to be cast out (the scriptural record is silent on the KIND of fruit),

2) angels have literal wings (ornamental or symbolic figures such as Cherubim and Seraphim are rendered with wings, but actual angels are not recorded as having wings),

3) there were three wise men (the number of GIFTS recorded was three, but the number of wise men is not mentioned) who...

4) visited the baby Jesus in the manger (he was actually a "young child" by then and living in a "house". The shepherds "came with haste and found ... the babe". The wise men came later.)

...etc. etc...

The written word does not corroborate many traditions.

14 posted on 08/20/2009 12:27:05 PM PDT by TChris (There is no freedom without the possibility of failure.)
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To: Nikas777; DCPatriot

Thanks.

Will get to it by and by.

DCP, You are welcome to ping the “A” list.

Thx.


15 posted on 08/20/2009 12:27:40 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: ZX12R
My subjects of interests are in history, militaria, religions/theologies, archeology,myths and legends and while I do not generally believe in the following subjects, for fun (and to maintain an open mind) I love reading about alternate/revisionist history (subjects like pre-Columbian transatlantic voyages, etc), crypto-zoology, UFOs and other Fortean happenings.

I had these links in my Hard Drive and seeing as there are Freepers into this I posted.

16 posted on 08/20/2009 12:28:19 PM PDT by Nikas777 (En touto nika, "In this, be victorious")
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Perhaps that is what the space people who visited New Jersey signwriter and contactee Howard Menger in 1956 were trying to communicate. As well as telling him they were from Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn, introducing him to space music and the delights of space potatoes

I've long enjoyed scifi and things like this, but I somehow missed Mr. Howard Menger's space music and space potatoes. Of course, they'd be spelled with an "e," lol.

Did he ever try to recreate this space music? Bet it really does sound like a theremin, Moog's synthesizer, lol. Too perfect a fit for it not to. Moog lived out his later years in spacey Asheville, NC ... fitting again, lol. That place has become what has got to be the neo-Pagan, Wiccan capital of this country, supposed "vorteces" and all that.

17 posted on 08/20/2009 12:34:38 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: the invisib1e hand

I’ve spent some time studying the antediluvian world that was purportedly dominated by such beings in a few Biblical and extra-Biblical texts. Enoch I reads like science fiction in and of itself, when dealing with these hybrids. It’s not as wacky and isolated as people seem to believe. The land of Canaan was occupied by their descendants. Goliath of Gath, whom David slew, was one.


18 posted on 08/20/2009 12:37:58 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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19 posted on 08/20/2009 12:39:27 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: TChris; Quix
I know this is way off topic but you did mention the 3 Wise Men - The Greek New Testament does describe who visited the baby Jesus - Magi - Zoroastrian holy men.

The New Testament was written not as history but as testimony and some parts were not elaborated on because it was assumed people knew what a Magi was and where they came from. Magi came from Rome's deadly enemy - Parthian Persia. They were the Holy Men of the Zoroastrian faith.

Jesus is said to have had royal blood which means his cousin St. John the Baptist was also of royal blood - something that makes men rally around a person. And being of royal blood does not really mean you had to be rich, etc.

Taken in that context, King Herod is informed at Zoroastrian envoys from Rome's eastern enemy the Parthian Persian empire have arrived after hearing about the birth of a son from a group that claims royal ancestry.

If Jesus belonged to a group like that then they would have had allies in the Jewish community in Babylon and Persia and they sent word of his birth.

The Persian Shah arranges for a diplomatic mission to cause his Roman enemies problems. Herod attacks this group as traitors. St. John the Baptist's family flee to the wilderness. Herod assumes the family of Jesus wil try to escape to Persia so sends word to the guards at the Persian/Roman border.

Instead, Jesus' family flees to Egypt where there are no border checks and where there is a large Jewish community to hide in.

20 posted on 08/20/2009 12:39:38 PM PDT by Nikas777 (En touto nika, "In this, be victorious")
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