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Obama's certificate number is later than the Nordyke twins even though he born a day earlier.
Vanity | 7/28/09 | Vanity

Posted on 07/28/2009 2:01:51 PM PDT by Smokeyblue

DinkyJackson wrote on this thread

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2302882/posts?q=1&;page=101

Obama’s (finally published) birth certificate serial number is 151 1961 - 010641, he was born on 8-4-1961, and the certificate was filed by the Registrar on 8-8-1961 ( http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html )

Today, the Honolulu advertiser publishes a story, and at the bottom includes a set of long-form BC’s from a woman who had twins at Kapiolani on 8-5-1961 who went to school with Obama.

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20090728/NEWS01/907280345/Hawaii+officials+confirm+Obama%E2%80%99s+original+birth+certificate+still+exists

These twins were born the day AFTER Obama AT KAPIOLANI. And their certificate numbers are LOWER than his (10637 and 10638). They were born 8-5-1961, the certificates were signed by mom 8-7-1961, signed by the MD 8-11-1961, and signed by the Registrar 8-11-1961.

THIS MEANS HE DEFINITELY WAS NOT BORN AT KAPIOLANI, because his BC number (born on Aug 4th and filed with Registrar Aug 8th) should have a lower number than the twins (Born Aug 5th at Kapiolani and filed with Registrar Aug 11th)


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: barackobama; bho44; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; colb; eligibility; impeachobama; kenya; naturalborn; obama; obamanoncitizenissue
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To: frogjerk
I am laughing my a$$ off at the left trying to kill this story.

I wish it were only the left. Unfortunately Anne Coulter, National Review and even RedState have articles out 'hitting' the birthers. All this does is prove to me that treason is not the sole domain of the left. Its found on the right as well.

141 posted on 07/28/2009 5:03:19 PM PDT by conservativegramma (Palin has my vote: whoever the media hates I love)
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To: MHGinTN

Mrs. Nordyke is lying.


142 posted on 07/28/2009 5:03:34 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: BP2
Just WOW on the newspapers! What are the odds that TWINS would NOT be in the newspapers???

I wonder if the rest of the people in the newspaper are real?

143 posted on 07/28/2009 5:03:49 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Smokeyblue

It is so obvious that this man was born on African Soil because of the beligerient low-brow menality of the responses of his backers trying to juke us into thinking we’re the tin-foil hatters that convinces me he was born in Keyna as his grandmother says. If not, why wouldn’t his other grandmother in Hawaii speak up? She raised him since he was 10. If she had any pride in the experience, and the fact he was about to be president, why wouldn’t she have spoken up? There is one cure, prove it!


144 posted on 07/28/2009 5:07:29 PM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: Smokeyblue

Another possible scenario is, that Obama was born late july in Kenya, and his mother had some extra time to get back to Hawaii, and report the birth.


145 posted on 07/28/2009 5:08:54 PM PDT by amigatec (The only change you will see in the next four years will be what's in your pocket.)
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To: rolling_stone
"I do believe Obama on his return to Hawaii could change his name back to his original without a court name change by usage"

What was his original name? When did he call himself Barack? It seems to me he went by the name of Barry through College....Barry Soetoro then Barry Obama----flat line. Who is this MARXIST?
146 posted on 07/28/2009 5:19:57 PM PDT by Electric Graffiti (Yonder stands your orphan with his gun)
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To: Electric Graffiti

It’s also possible that his name change was never recored in Hawaii, and when he returned he simply used BO again, and the state never knowing he was adopted.


147 posted on 07/28/2009 5:22:14 PM PDT by amigatec (The only change you will see in the next four years will be what's in your pocket.)
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To: justiceseeker93
One more point: if the Dept. of Health reported all births to the newspapers at the time, why weren't the Nordyke twins' birth announcements in the same issue of the Advertiser as the Obama birth announcement?

Good Point --

148 posted on 07/28/2009 5:23:04 PM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: maxwellsmart_agent
It is so obvious that this man was born on African Soil

My vote is Canadian soil, or at least Washington state soil ...

For example, a listing for Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) appears in the 1961 Polk directory at the Seattle Public Library: "Obama Anna Mrs studt h516 13th Ave. E. apt. 2".

Also, in 1961-1962, a listing for Anna Obama is appears in the Seattle Reverse Directory: "Obama Anna Mrs EA3-3346" at "516 Villa Ria Apartments"

"Mrs Anna Obama" in Seattle, '61-'62


Where ever he was born, it's becoming more and more obvious he's hiding something ...

Mr. Obama,
WND - Where's the Birth Certificate

149 posted on 07/28/2009 5:26:19 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: Smokeyblue

I am much more interested in his college records


150 posted on 07/28/2009 5:26:43 PM PDT by Puddleglum ("due to the record harvest, rationing will continue as usual")
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To: fr_freak
the closeness in numbers does nothing to damage the possibility of the forged birth certificate.

I don't disagree. It does say that IF the short form BC is fraudulent, then the forger doing it went through some work to get a number very close to the "birth date." I agree. This does not prove that we are wrong. But having a number in the ballpark may lend some credibility to this being the real deal. Then, the argument would be, what is he hiding on the long form certificate? What in the heck could be so damning that he won't release it?
151 posted on 07/28/2009 5:26:48 PM PDT by AdamBomb
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To: BP2

again, the last form put in an inbox (the form of the last baby born), is the first one taken off and assigned a number.

in this case, the last two are shuffled. person put them on the stack one at a time.


152 posted on 07/28/2009 5:26:54 PM PDT by AdamBomb
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To: SatinDoll

it was either .2 or .3 % of all Hawaiian births in 1961 were not in a hospital-Alaska had 9.5% I think...

I suspect the nordyke twins announcement was in the following weeks paper due to the weekend..anyone in Hawaii care to go to the State Library or in DC to the Library of Congress? ? Also check for Marriage Application announcements before February 3, 1961 for Stanley Ann and Barack Obama SR.....


153 posted on 07/28/2009 5:26:59 PM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: bvw

” in this case the Nordyke twins certificates were entered into Vital Statistics AFTER Obam’s certificate was”

how do we know that? they could have all been in a stack.

LIFO: list in the stack, first out off the stack.


154 posted on 07/28/2009 5:27:09 PM PDT by AdamBomb
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To: Typical_Whitey

“This almost exactly proves that Anne Dunham was in Kenya on Aug 4th gave birth and one or two days later returned to Hawaii and registered his birth.”

I hadn’t thought of this angle. If she indeed travelled right away, I agree. But who in their right mind would want to do that?


155 posted on 07/28/2009 5:27:16 PM PDT by AdamBomb
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To: BP2

The serial number is called a “file number” on the form, and probably refers to the order in which the document is filed by the registrar. The key thing to note is the dates of birth, and the date of filing.

If the number is assigned at the hospital (Kapiolani) then nothing can really explain why they would give Obama the high number and then give the twins the lower numbers.

If the number is assigned when it is filed at the registrar, then they would have to have skipped over the twins from 8-8-1961 when Obama’s was filed until 8-11-1961 when the twins were filed. The twins mom didn’t sign it until 8-7, and the doctor didn’t sign it until 8-11, so it didn’t leave the hospital until at least 2+ days after Obama’s had already been accepted by the registrar (according to his factcheck short form abstract).

The twins certificates could not have been part of the same “batch” at the registrar’s office because they were necessarily transmitted from the hospital to the registrar days after Obama’s had already been accepted.

If, however, the “batch” processing happened at Kapiolani, they would have had to pull the serial-number-stamped blanks out of order.

It would be nice to know where and when file numbers were stamped. It had to be either before the papers went to the hospital, or after they came in to the registrar. They couldn’t be stamped at the hospital, because hospitals all over the state couldn’t keep from accidentally duplicating.


156 posted on 07/28/2009 5:27:21 PM PDT by NaNaNaNaN
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To: SatinDoll

exact quote

She did not know Obama’s mother, Ann Dunham, while they were in labor together on Aug. 4, 1961, at the old Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital.


157 posted on 07/28/2009 5:29:03 PM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: SatinDoll
I'm not criticizing the story to which you refer, and I vaguely remember some people posting the result of that investigation (i. e., Stanley Ann was not in any Hawaii hospital in 1961), but what exactly is the Hawaii Free Press (i.e., what is its political slant?) and what is its track record for accuracy in its reporting?
158 posted on 07/28/2009 5:38:15 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: NEMDF

Indeed, the paperwork could easily have been processed out of sequence. No biggie there.

HOWEVER, this now gives us good photos of what a REAL birth certificate, issued just minutes before his, looks like. Now we know what we’re looking for!


159 posted on 07/28/2009 5:46:49 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was exiled.)
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To: BP2

Stanley Ann was no longer enrolled at U of HI Spring Semester ‘61. At some point she left the island.

Was Obama Sr. enrolled at U of HI in the beginning of ‘61?


160 posted on 07/28/2009 5:47:09 PM PDT by TheBigJ
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