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"Hitler's Stealth Fighter" Re-created (NatGeo TV Sunday June 28th)
National Geographic ^ | 6/25/2009 | Nat Geo

Posted on 06/26/2009 4:37:21 AM PDT by Dallas59

ON TV Hitler's Stealth Fighter airs Sunday, June 28, at 9 p.m. ET/PT on the National Geographic Channel. About the show >>

Top stealth-plane experts have re-created a radical, nearly forgotten Nazi aircraft: the Horten 2-29, a retro-futuristic fighter that arrived too late in World War II to make it into mass production. (See Hitler's stealth fighter in pictures.)

The engineers' goal was to determine whether the so-called stealth fighter was truly radar resistant. In the process, they've uncovered new clues to just how close Nazi engineers were to unleashing a jet that some say could have changed the course of the war.

To replicate the Ho 2-29 late last year for a documentary premiering Sunday, a team from the Northrop Grumman defense-contracting corporation used original Nazi blueprints (re-created blueprints of Hitler's stealth fighter) and the only surviving Ho 2-29, which has been stored in a U.S. government facility for more than 50 years.

The all-wing Ho 2-29 looked more like today's U.S. B-2 bomber (B-2 bomber picture)—or something from a Star Wars prequel—than like any other World War II aircraft. Made primarily of wood and powered by jet engines, the plane was designed for speeds of up to 600 miles an hour (970 kilometers an hour).

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Education; History; Science
KEYWORDS: aerospace; banglist; godsgravesglyphs; hitler; jet; plane; ww2
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To: Little Ray
I don't think the outcome of WWII was as inevitable as you make it sound. If Germany had more submarines to deploy in the Atlantic in 1939, and had it been only a little further along in submarine development at the start of the war, the industrial capacity of the United States would have been irrelevant, and Britain, for lack of food and supplies, would have been strangled into submission.
41 posted on 06/26/2009 6:54:45 AM PDT by PUGACHEV
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To: Dallas59; Larry Lucido; martin_fierro; Tijeras_Slim; dighton; Travis T. OJustice; ...

She'll fly a lot faster if they remove that giant steel cone from her belly.

42 posted on 06/26/2009 6:57:03 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Joe 6-pack

That’s classic.


43 posted on 06/26/2009 7:07:04 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Petronski
She'll fly a lot faster if they remove that giant steel cone from her belly.

And I bet that tail gunner gets pretty cold from the wind whipping around him. Seems like painting his station red sure isn't very stealthy either.

44 posted on 06/26/2009 7:07:05 AM PDT by Lawgvr1955 (You can never have too much cowbell !!)
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To: Eye of Unk

I’ve always thought that the P-38 was the greatest looking airplane in the war.
Getting Yamamoto was the icing on the cake for that aircraft.


45 posted on 06/26/2009 8:30:12 AM PDT by gigster
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To: SeeSharp

There are modern planes today made of playwood.


46 posted on 06/26/2009 8:32:53 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: Eye of Unk

Yep, it is wasn’t sharp and pointy they didn’t want it. Hence, we had really bad aircraft throughout the 50’s and 60’s. Fast, but not very good at anything. Remember the Air Force fought even using the F-16 until budget cuts caused them to rethink that position.


47 posted on 06/26/2009 8:35:14 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: PUGACHEV
I don't know if the snorkeling subs could have saved Germany. Remember, When the US joined the war we were already developing more advanced weapons and transports to defeat or get around the Uboats or even wage war against Europe and Japan from the continental US. They could have delayed victory and raised the cost in blood and treasure, but I don't know if they could won the war. It would depend on how long it took the American population to get war-weary (about 5 minutes, these days, but a lot longer back then...).
48 posted on 06/26/2009 8:38:42 AM PDT by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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To: SeeSharp

The British Mosquito was made of wood.


49 posted on 06/26/2009 9:14:28 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (What would Reagan do? Not go for freakin ice cream!)
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To: SeeSharp

Wood was used for a number of designs because it wasn’t a strategic material; Germany used up a lot of metal in its war effort. Metals shortages pulled the plug on the A-10 terror rocket project, which had as its goal bombing New York City. The A-9 warhead/spacecraft loaded with high explosives (and presumably, eventually a nuclear weapon) would have been live piloted, and after terminal trajectory was locked in (and sufficiently low altitude), the pilot was to bail out, parachute into the ocean, and be picked up by U-boat. :’)

The obvious alternative (hindsight being 20-20) would have been A) not invading the USSR, or at least not in 1940, and B) concentrating on domination of the Mediterranean, finishing off the British in N Africa and the Suez Canal, and shutting down the British navy by denying them petroleum. Imagine the level of carnage had the resources used in the eastern campaign been diverted first to N Africa and the Med, and then to a terror missile campaign against a starving home island.


50 posted on 06/26/2009 9:17:30 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Joe 6-pack

LOL!


51 posted on 06/26/2009 9:18:39 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Dallas59

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52 posted on 06/26/2009 9:21:30 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: hoosier hick
Jack Northrop (if he was still alive) might dispute that comment. The B36 and YB49 must have been at least as successful as the German plane. Somewhere I have a large poster of the YB49 in flight over the California desert...

Somebody at the Pentagon got special clearance to let Jack Northrop go in and tour the (still secret) B-2 before he died. I've always thought that was a really classy thing to do.

53 posted on 06/26/2009 9:33:29 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Dallas59
This is just over hyped "Luff 46" crap

The SÄNGER AMERIKA BOMBER ... now that was something way out there http://www.luft46.com/misc/sanger.html

54 posted on 06/26/2009 10:10:06 AM PDT by tophat9000 ( We are "O" so f---ed)
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To: Wallace T.; Little Ray; Former Proud Canadian; 1rudeboy; OKSooner; cripplecreek; mikeus_maximus; ...

Well, Germany occupied Austria and Czechoslovakia; in alliance with the USSR beat the Poles and occupied western Poland; won the war against Britain, France, and the rest of western Europe, with a small amount of help from Italian forces, and neutrality by Spain, Portugal, Switzerland, and I think Turkey; and that was in the space of a few years at the end of the 1930s.

Germany’s land war was nearly entirely fought against the USSR (and the Russian winters), with some sideshows in North Africa, parts of Scandinavia, the Balkans, and Greece. From 1940 through mid-1944, the Germans (mostly, with various foreign nationals fighting for the Waffen SS, plus some Italians) only had to face the Red Army.

Still, in both WWs casualty rates and KIAs were much in their favor, at least until late in the war. Stalin unleashed the 1st Byelorussian and 1st Ukraine armies in the taking of Berlin, right at the end of the Reich, and those Red Army components lost something like 600,000 troops. Just maintaining such a long, large, cold, violent front in the USSR, while tremendously outnumbered basically the whole time, and with Hitler insisting on major mistakes; shows just how skilled Germany’s forces were.

But until D-Day, the Germans didn’t have to worry much about second fronts. Churchill wanted to go back via what he called the “soft underbelly” — forgetting that both Greece and Italy are mountainous and make for great defensive stands. Apparently he just wasn’t much of a military thinker — none of the major heads of state in WWII appear to have been. During one of the wartime conferences, Stalin finally humiliated Churchill regarding the failure to take Italy, and insisted that the French landings no longer be postponed.

By the time D-Day happened, the Germans had been in retreat for almost a year, following the defeat at Kursk. Having to deal with a second front (along with Hitler’s usual stupidity in micromanaging the campaigns) was nearly the final straw; the winter offensive of 30 divisions known forever as the Battle of the Bulge was a desperate gamble, but it delayed the western allied push almost as much as Montgomery and Churchill. Ultimately it hastened the end of the war, because Germany’s eastern front was collapsing.


55 posted on 06/26/2009 10:27:53 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: tophat9000

Ooops, and thanks, interesting link!


56 posted on 06/26/2009 10:31:08 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv

I think the hope for the Germans was that if they had succeeded in the The Battle of Bulge, they could have gotten a deal with the Western Allies, and to have them fight the Russians.

I bet a lot of people would have gone for that deal had it been available.


57 posted on 06/26/2009 10:31:38 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Dallas59

That is really cool...I will have to watch this. Thanks


58 posted on 06/26/2009 10:38:47 AM PDT by surfer
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To: SunkenCiv
I think the “soft underbelly” part was about cutting the Reds out of the action, not about any illusions about the ease of fighting in the Balkans. Churchill had personal experience with that area from his debacle at Gallipoli.

As for the rest, the fact that the Soviets were pretty much winning the war by themselves (albeit with enormous casualties...) pretty much goes with my opinion that the Germans were at a serious disadvantage almost from the very beginning. Only the fact that they were actually preparing for a war gave them an edge.

The Germans might have been able to pull a win out it if they had enthusiastically recruited Ukrainians and other disaffected victims of the Soviet Union instead of condemning them as "sub-human."
59 posted on 06/26/2009 10:45:43 AM PDT by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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To: Little Ray

There were Ukrainians in the Waffen SS, but anyway... I think we’re in agreement — which is to say, Germany’s only fatal error was in attacking the USSR. It’s puzzled people for a long time, although the main idea cited as a possible explanation is, Hitler was following his own “Mein Kampf” framework. When he came into power, he gave out his expectations of the steps he wanted followed, in order, but each in a consecutive year. That’s obviously about half of a good plan with the other half a kind of doomed to failure tweak.

In “Interrogations”, a book based on the transcripts of postwar interrogations of Nazis (some of whom were imprisoned or executed later), some officer mentions that Hitler obsessed about the cross-border raids from the Soviet-controlled side of the frontier in occupied Poland, and felt goaded into a major response. That’s interesting.

Another recent book noted that Stalin was so sure the agreement with Hitler would hold, and incredulous over the scale of the invasion (and probably didn’t feel up to jumping headlong into another world war), that he refused to believe that what was actually going on. Stalin was for a short time, and possibly for the only time during his dictatorship, indecisive and inert.

Molotov was sent east for secret meetings with the Japanese, and came back with the understanding that the Czarist-era armistice and peace treaty with Japan would hold, despite the Axis treaty requirements. That freed Stalin to pull literally everything out of the east, something like 70 divisions, moving it round the clock by rail, and sending the offloaded trains completely empty, back to pick up more. The speed of the Red Army response came as a surprise by winter of 1940, after those early massive German victories over cannon fodder “patriotic armies”.


60 posted on 06/26/2009 1:02:09 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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