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Targeting Lost Causers
Old Virginia Blog ^ | 06/09/2009 | Richard Williams

Posted on 06/09/2009 8:47:35 AM PDT by Davy Buck

My oh my, what would the critics, the Civil War publications, publishers, and bloggers do if it weren't for the bad boys of the Confederacy and those who study them and also those who wish to honor their ancestors who fought for the Confederacy?

(Excerpt) Read more at oldvirginiablog.blogspot.com ...


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Education; History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: academia; confederacy; damnyankees; dixie; dunmoresproclamation; history; lincolnwasgreatest; neoconfeds; notthisagain; southern; southwasright
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
do you expect ANYONE on FR to believe you on that claim, as you are WELL-KNOWN on FR as a KNOWING, shame-LESS, LIAR & nothing more than that.

free dixie,sw

921 posted on 06/28/2009 10:28:40 AM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith the Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: Blackacre
"In 2008 , in one of the worst years for Republicans in recent history, John McCain got 38% of the vote in California."

This is what I'm talking about -- 2004 Election by county:

Even in 2008 the county map looks like a Republican landslide:


922 posted on 06/28/2009 10:30:19 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK; SierraWasp; Issaquahking; Jeff Head

What your maps really show is that rural conservatives have no representation and likely won’t get any soon.


923 posted on 06/28/2009 10:32:25 AM PDT by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: BroJoeK
IF you point out that the numbers are the ADMITTED deaths of CSA POWs, i'll agree.

what it does NOT include were the TENS of THOUSANDS of MURDERS of POWs that went UN-reported.

the estimate of the MURDERED POWs at just Point Lookout DEATH Camp is about 15,000 with MANY THOUSANDS more murders committed at Elmira, Camp Douglas & other DY hellholes.

face it, the DAMNyankees committed TENS of THOUSANDS of ATROCITIES, because they COULD.

free dixie,sw.

924 posted on 06/28/2009 10:34:09 AM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith the Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: usmcobra; BroJoeK
Bro, IF you believe ANYTHING posted by the ADMITTED LIAR, "DUH,snake", you are more ignorant & more clue-LESS than anyone else here.

ask him about his claim that he was "a staff-member of The New Orleans Confederate Museum"" & don't be fooled by his DECEIT that he never said that he was a "paid staff-member".

"DUH, snake" was NEVER never "a staff-member" of ANY SORT and/or at ANY time (he FINALLY admitted, after LYING for SEVERAL MONTHS, that he only VISITED the museum, with his father, when he was a SMALL CHILD!). in other words, he's KNOWING, shame-LESS, clumsy liar.

free dixie,sw

925 posted on 06/28/2009 10:43:46 AM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith the Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: stand watie

That’s what I like about you Squat2pee - you lose your azz at every exchange with everyone you attack, you have nothing of substance to offer in the first place, and yet you keep coming back, begging to get your butt kicked again.


926 posted on 06/28/2009 10:45:02 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: usmcobra
NOPE. as you KNOW, it is NOT the same thing. instead, it's just another attempted (and NOT very intelligent) "dodge" on you part to try to "confuse the issue", for any readers who may not know that you are simply dishonest.

laughing AT you, LIAR.

free dixie,sw

927 posted on 06/28/2009 10:48:01 AM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith the Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: rockrr
laughing AT you, BIGOT & "FR's shame".

being a VULGAR-talking, CRUDE, BLOWHARD & ignorant LOUT is ALL you are. go "infest" DAILY KOOKS.

free dixie,sw

928 posted on 06/28/2009 10:53:09 AM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith the Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: rockrr
i told THE TRUTH about you in #919. (but of course you are WELL-known on FR as a BIGOT.)

laughing at YOU, as FR's main CRUDE, LOUD-mouth, BLOWHARD & least intelligent DAMNyankee. (even "DUH,snake" is smarter than you, though he is MORE dishonest than you are.)

free dixie,sw

929 posted on 06/28/2009 10:58:02 AM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith the Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: stand watie
"go "infest" DAILY KOOKS"

Why, are you holding a place for me?
930 posted on 06/28/2009 10:58:53 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: stand watie
(but of course you are WELL-known on FR as a BIGOT.)

Again with the lies Squat2pee - will you never learn? Show me one other person at this site (or any other) who has called me a bigot or STFU.
931 posted on 06/28/2009 11:01:55 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: stand watie
BTW: there you go with the hypocritical dealio again, mentioning another FReeper without pinging hi/her. For shame Squat2pee!

I don't know who "DUH,snake" is supposed to be, and I'll freely admit that there are many who are smarter then I am, but I can say with absolute assurance that we're all smarter than you.
932 posted on 06/28/2009 11:07:41 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: PeaRidge
He said he was and he meant it.

He also said he'd deliver the mail and no doubt he meant that, too. Regardless of how much the rest of the country had to subsidize the South's mail service.

933 posted on 06/28/2009 11:27:54 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: PeaRidge
You know that there was no formal letter....no address from the White House....no Lincoln signature....nothing to validate Chew except his and Talbot’s word.

So that's the gold standard, is it? How well will Davis measure up I wonder?

934 posted on 06/28/2009 11:28:55 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
She has zero interest in discussing facts or anything of substance.

I'm don't see how you can say that since we've yet to see a single post from you containing a fact or anything of substance.

935 posted on 06/28/2009 11:31:08 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: stand watie

You have called me a poser and said that you had someone that could positively prove that I never served in The United States Marine Corps.

I am still waiting for you to prove that.

It a very serious charge for anyone to make, after all under the Stolen Valour Act it is a federal offence to claim to have served in our military when you didn’t. I could even go to jail for a couple of years if you can prove what you have said.

I DEMAND THAT YOU SHOW ME WHAT PROOF THAT YOU HAVE THAT I NEVER SERVED AS A UNITED STATES MARINE!

It is your claim that not only do you have proof but you also have an expert witness that will verify your claims against me.

show me what you have or shut up.


936 posted on 06/28/2009 11:31:34 AM PDT by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: PeaRidge; ItisaReligionofPeace
And I am beginning to agree.

Now, now, now, if you boys are trying to hit on me then I'm afraid that you would be sadly disappointed. Assuming, of course, that you really do think I'm a girl.

937 posted on 06/28/2009 11:34:50 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Nah Noni, it just means that they recognized how threadbare their “arguments” were and are in the process of giving up...


938 posted on 06/28/2009 11:46:49 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: PeaRidge
You most certainly did misrepresent by changing the context and meaning. It was intentional, an outright misrepresentation, and self serving.

OK, then let's look at it in it's entirety. Link. Be sure you take the time to read it. I'm not sure you've bothered to so far.

First half, first paragraph:

"For the purpose of establishing friendly relations between the Confederate States and the United States, and reposing special trust, &c., Martin J. Crawford, John Forsyth, and A. B. Roman are appointed special commissioners of the Confederate States to the United States."

Notice that there is no offer to negotiate over recognition. What Davis presents is his position and that of the confederate government and no other point of view is open for discussion. If Lincoln had said, "No, I want to discuss an end to secession and the resumption of the rule of law in the South" then what would the commissioners do? Would they negotiate along those lines? Of course not, that wasn't what they were there for. They were there for one reason and one reason only, obtain Lincoln's surrender on the question of confederate sovereignty. No other alternative was acceptable. That's an ultimatum.

Second part of the paragraph:

"I have invested them with full and all manner of power and authority for and in the name of the Confederate States to meet and confer with any person or persons duly authorized by the Government of the United States being furnished with like powers and authority, and with them to agree, treat, consult, and negotiate of and concerning all matters and subjects interesting to both nations."

Note the '...matters and subjects interesting to both nations...' Now compare that with the instructions that the confederate congress mandated when they passed the legislation authorizing the commissioners in the first place - Link. Note how their instructions were for "the settlement of all questions of disagreement between the two governments upon principles of right, justice, equity, and good faith." So if Davis was at all interested in settling questions of payment for property stolen or debts repudiated then why did he water that down? Why did 'all questions of disagreement' suddenly become 'all matters and subjects interesting to both nations?" Why did Davis deliberately ignore the instructions of the confederate congress and insert his own instructions to the commissioners? The answer is that Davis had no interest in settling questions of disagreement, no intention of paying for property stolen, no desire to pay the South's share of the debt, and no interest in a peaceful solution.

939 posted on 06/28/2009 12:04:08 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: rockrr
Nah Noni, it just means that they recognized how threadbare their “arguments” were and are in the process of giving up...

It's always easy to tell when the Southron brigade's desperation level is peaking. They resort to cheap attempts at insult.

940 posted on 06/28/2009 12:06:50 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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