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Columnist Calls for removal of NC's Confederate Monument
Raleigh (NC) News and Observer ^ | 8 February 2008 | J. Peder Zane

Posted on 02/23/2009 10:18:10 AM PST by Rebeleye

Yet it remains Raleigh's most prominent piece of public art, a signature symbol with an ugly past representing values and ambitions that no longer reflect who we are.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsobserver.com ...


TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans; Society
KEYWORDS: confederate; dixie; godsgravesglyphs; monument; northcarolina; purge; raleigh; soldier
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To: Rebeleye

Someone needs to zap this to these fine ladies. (Used to be a member in another state) :)

http://www.scudc.info/


21 posted on 02/23/2009 10:51:54 AM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Obama dozed.....people froze.)
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To: Rebeleye

Don’t be fooled here, this is just an attempt by a doomed lib paper to gin up controversy & appear relevant. No chance the statue will go.


22 posted on 02/23/2009 10:52:34 AM PST by Battle of Tours
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To: Rebeleye; Constitution Day
Gov. Perdue, tear down this monument.

Pathetic attempt to be Reagan. These jerks recycle the same story every 9 months - rinse and repeat.

23 posted on 02/23/2009 10:54:04 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: Rebeleye
The construction of Thomas Jefferson's estate, Monticello, was carried out mostly by black slaves:

[A sizable labor force was devoted to construction. According to McLaughlin, “The white carpenter was supported by at least two or three slaves. Cutting and hauling lumber was slave work; sawyers were slaves...The master carpenter James Dinsmore was given as helpers a slave apprentice, Lewis and John Hemings, Jefferson's slave carpenter, who was to become the equal to Dinsmore as a joiner. Hemings was one of a number of slaves who learned the building trades and were put to work along side of white craftsmen, or in place of them, at Monticello.”]

Jefferson's slaves also mined, washed, molded and fired the red clay for the half-million bricks used in Monticello.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monticello

Political correctness is philosophical totalitarianism.

24 posted on 02/23/2009 11:15:34 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: Non-Sequitur

“Where does letting a minority decide that it should stay make any more sense than letting a minority decide it should go?”

Our nation’s laws were established to protect the interests of the minority from the tyranny of the majority. What you seem to be advocating, by majority rule, is a pure democracy; and we all know what the wolves and the lamb had to say about what to eat for dinner based on the pure democracy of majority vote. No thanks. Give me a Constitutional Republic over a pure democracy any time.


25 posted on 02/23/2009 11:17:31 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: pgkdan

Ditto’s!


26 posted on 02/23/2009 11:19:26 AM PST by devistate one four (Impatiently waiting for the next tea party! Tet '68)
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To: kcvl

This Yankee thinks that guy is 100% ‘grade A’ dickhead.


27 posted on 02/23/2009 11:20:17 AM PST by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy. FUBO!)
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To: ought-six
Give me a Constitutional Republic over a pure democracy any time.

The will of the majority is anything you agree with while the tyranny of the majority is anything you do not. A bit selective, IMHO.

28 posted on 02/23/2009 11:21:52 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: SwinneySwitch
We’ll need “Tar Heels” in the next revolution.

As opposed to s***heels like the author.

29 posted on 02/23/2009 11:22:38 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.)
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To: pgkdan
I'd rather face them on a battlefield.

If it comes to that you won't be lacking for company.

30 posted on 02/23/2009 11:32:09 AM PST by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

“The will of the majority is anything you agree with while the tyranny of the majority is anything you do not. A bit selective, IMHO.”

The will of the majority is restrained by laws that protect the interests of the minority, as we have in a Constitutional Republic. Those laws protect the minority who may very well be at risk by that majority will.

Your apparent support for a pure democracy would leave 49% of the people at the mercy of 51%. Hardly a comforting thought.


31 posted on 02/23/2009 11:41:54 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: ought-six
Your apparent support for a pure democracy would leave 49% of the people at the mercy of 51%. Hardly a comforting thought.

And in this case if 51% of the people say the statue should go then I think it should go. If 49% say it should go then I think it should stay. Can't get much simple than that. This isn't some burning Constitutional issue here, it's a statue from a cause lost 140 years ago.

32 posted on 02/23/2009 11:47:37 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: kcvl

My guess is that his ancestors avoided military service on either side of the Civil War.


33 posted on 02/23/2009 11:51:45 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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34 posted on 02/23/2009 12:14:30 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Non-Sequitur

“This isn’t some burning Constitutional issue here....”

If you ever took time to read others’ posts instead of waxing pedantic you’d see that my comment WAS that since it only involved a statue, the plebiscite should determine its future. BUT, that once such a precedent is set, it could lead to other plebiscites of majority will that could be fatal to other interests. Hence my comment to beware of unitended precedent, and my strong support of a Constitutional Republic over a pure democracy, the latter of which you seem to favor.


35 posted on 02/23/2009 12:25:32 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Rebeleye
There's a monument to Confederate soldiers right in the middle of Washington Street in Alexandria, Virginia. I'm surprised it's still there, given how left-wing the area has gotten.


36 posted on 02/23/2009 12:34:12 PM PST by Pyro7480 (This Papist asks everyone to continue to pray the Rosary for our country!)
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37 posted on 02/23/2009 1:32:50 PM PST by MitchellC
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To: Non-Sequitur

“And in this case if 51% of the people say the statue should go then I think it should go. “

Let’s take a vote. If 51% of the posters on this forum agree that you are a jackass and demand you leave, will you abide?


38 posted on 02/23/2009 1:44:08 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Rebelbase
Let’s take a vote. If 51% of the posters on this forum agree that you are a jackass and demand you leave, will you abide?

Only if that covers all jackasses, yourself included.

39 posted on 02/23/2009 1:46:14 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

I’ll put my screen name up against yours and let the forum vote who stays and who goes. It will be an exercise in democracy using your quote as the thread premise.

Game on?


40 posted on 02/23/2009 1:52:45 PM PST by Rebelbase
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