'Ancient city unearthed' in Peru [ Chiclayo, Wari, Moche ]

BBC ^ | Wednesday, December 17, 2008 | unattributed

[SunkenCiv]

The site, near the Pacific coastal city of Chiclayo, probably dates to the Wari culture which ruled the Andes of modern Peru between the 7th and 12th Century.	The once buried city showed evidence of human sacrifice

[SunkenCiv]

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[Sudetenland]

human sacrifice

But of course all faiths are equally valid...

[SunkenCiv]

[Condor51]

human sacrifice

• But of course all faiths are equally valid...

Now, now - these are "God's Children" we're talking about here.

And lets' not forget: "Family Values Don't Stop At the Rio Grande".
Annnnnnd; "These Are 'Good' Hard Working People".

[BGHater]

[AmericanVictory]

Another blow to the “Noble Savage” concept, which seems to be the product of that European white guy, Rousseau.

It seems most of the highly accomplished Indian civilization never got the word on what they were “sposed to be.”

On the other hand, how did they get those huge stone blocks to fit together so precisely in Peru, far more precisely than the blocks of the pyramids?

And what about those “flying cars” in the Celtic legends and the pictures of men and dinosaurs in the same scenes?

Every find is fascinating.

[AmericanVictory]

Another blow to the “Noble Savage” concept, which seems to be the product of that European white guy, Rousseau.

It seems most of the highly accomplished Indian civilization never got the word on what they were “sposed to be.”

On the other hand, how did they get those huge stone blocks to fit together so precisely in Peru, far more precisely than the blocks of the pyramids?

And what about those “flying cars” in the Celtic legends and the pictures of men and dinosaurs in the same scenes?

Every find is fascinating.

[Question_Assumptions]

The Moche produced beautiful artwork but they were particularly nasty and twisted. Their artwork includes quite graphic and detailed story boards about their sacrificial ceremonies which (of course) archaelogists interpreted as “mythological” until they found the graves of the people depicted in the artwork and the remains of some of the victims butchered as depicted in the art. The archaeologists refer to the main spider-like Moche deity as “the decapitator”. That should tell you a lot of what you need to know about the Moche.

[Question_Assumptions]

Lawrence Keeley pretty much burried the "noble savage" myth with his book War Before Civilization.

[OB1kNOb]

Is this find related to the white skin tribe called the “cloud people” from Peru that I heard about on the radio this morning?

[SunkenCiv]

nope, different folks:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1225405/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1569762/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1715581/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2142457/posts

[AmericanVictory]

Thanks for the reference.

[AmericanVictory]

Thanks for the reference.

We would add, however, that it does not seem to have dented the pathological hatred of our culture and civilization on the part of those who still speak and act as if Rousseau had been right and we are the savages.

[Question_Assumptions]

The pathological hatred of our civilization comes from the wrong-headed idea that people are basically good and noble and the reason why we have bad people in the world is because our civilization makes them bad rather than the correct view which is that people are pretty nasty and brutal to each other naturally and civilization actually tames them and gets them to behave better than they would otherwise. I highly recommend Keeley’s book. His examples of archaeologists ignoring the obvious are amazing and some of his conclusions turn conventional left-wing wisdom on their head (e.g., Keeley concludes that extensive interactive between two cultures actually increases the violence because the interaction gives them more reasons to fight).

[piasa]

We have little room to talk what with the gladiatoral games, Spanish inquisition, Salem witch trials, Holocaust, Holodomor, killing fields, lynch mobs, abortion, and so on.

Everyone sins, regardless of culture, ethnicity, or religious affiliation, I doubt God is impressed by anyone’s civilization.