Posted on 07/04/2008 8:34:15 AM PDT by ChessExpert
You would think that this story is right out of science fiction. But the facts appear to be that the US Democrat-controlled Congress intends to destroy the Republican middle class with $11 per gallon gasoline.
The stove I was looking at was fancy enough. Burned coal, too. That’s about all you would need for a medium sized house and probably too much when it is above zero.
I thought the plan was to build "ice roads" that melt every summer? Surely that can't take two years!
I stay away from coal burners, wood burning I like.
well...I don’t do very well in very hot climates, so I’ve never been tempted to move much further south than Maryland.
My favorite time of the year here is in the fall.
I love the lightening bugs this time of the year.
Our summers can be hot - but not stifling and suffucating.
Give me a year with these oil prices and I might be thinking differently though :)
The office liberal Democrat’s stock answer to drilling in ANWR has always been “it’ll take ten years.” I’m amazed that he even thinks that is an argument. By that logic, no one should attend school. If Clinton hadn’t vetoed getting oil from ANWR in 1995, we would have it now. As for present day policy, it’s best to develop ANWR and other oil reserves as soon as possible, starting now.
Could be. We took gravel from the Sag River in the winter, a lot of gravel. They would have to do something similar and haul the gravel a fair distance into ANWR. If they can't finish it in one winter they would have to wait until it freezes up again before they can continue. The haul road north of the Yukon River went a lot quicker, probably because we had borrow pits everywhere and could work year round.
I paid about $1100 4 years ago. The pipe and plumbing will add another $500, but I fill mine with anti-freeze and it stops the worry about freezing up and did the electrical myself. It will require a separate dedicated 100 amp circuit with your main being at least 200 amp to carry the load. I also had a 15 KVA transformer put in because the 10 KVA was inadequate. But your electrical company handles that, usually at no extra charge. But they should be considered.
All things considered, wood is best. We’ll find a lot of agreement on that.
thanks psycho! That pricetag doesn’t sound too bad.
May be doable (however - hubby has been campaigning for a truck - can you believe it?)
As far as drilling goes.
What are you saying?
That it is useless to start now for gains down the road?
I thought the speculators were betting on the long term position - and that price would drop if they learned supply would increase down the road?
so - even if takes 10 years - that still changes the speculation - yes?
Are you against planning now for payoff 10 yrs from now?
They do not build “ice roads” on Tundra. They lay 18” chiller pipe on top of the Tundra and cover it with gravel. They keep the road frozen during the summer months with massive refrigeration equipment. Event the pipeline has chillers on every one of it’s legs to keep the permafrost in tact.
Ice Roads are only used to drill on some of the smaller islands North of Prudhoe Bay and they are fresh water ice poured over the top of the sea ice to make it stronger and more stable. they do not build ice roads on Tundra.
Not in the south. We have a saying, you can always add more clothes and covers to get warm, but you can’t strip enough to get cool.
we generally sweat in summer unless it’s over 100 degrees.
We have one air conditioner in our bedroom, and if it’s unbearable (usually only a handful of days in the summer) we all “camp out” in our bedroom.
Other than that - everyone has a window fan which does the trick quite well.
Our property gets a beautiful breeze most days - it is usually very pleasant in the summer.
Winter?
There is usually an awful brutal wind up here.
When it is lightly snowing in the valley - it can be blizzard conditions up here.
Rain downtown? Snow up here on the hill.
We have good insulation, new windows, new siding, but when it’s 20 below and the wind is blowing, that furnace will hum constantly.
That’s because the government has been given so much control and power, they have tied our hands and our ability to fix a bad situation.
More people are finally beginning to realize this. It's the exact same thing with our borders...
The leadership in America are watching behind very secured gates, as servants fill their drinks.
I never said anything of the sort. We are now drilling at full capacity. Any hope for increasing production should have started several years ago. I am all for increasing, but that takes time. Even if we went at it full bore, it will take a few years to get anywhere. It takes planning and steady progress. Up to now, we have been coasting at one moderate level.
There have been about 200 new rigs added to the count since last year, but many more are needed and they cost between 20 to 50 million apiece the build these days. Not many people have the money to support that.
I've heard forcasts that for homes heated with heating oil, to expect bills this winter of $2000 to $2500 a month, given the current trends in oil costs.
And electric heat won't be exempt either. While much of the electrical energy in the US is supplied by coal fired power plants, that coal is transported to the power plants via railroads: Using diesel electric locomotives. So the cost of mining the coal, as well as getting it to the power plants will be increasing greatly too.
Mark
ok, that makes perfect sense.
I wasn’t under the impression we could change supply immediately - that it was something that would take some time.
What would you have to say to my local congressman’s claims about the evil oil industry?...
http://www.house.gov/list/press/ny22_hinchey/morenews/062608UseItOrLoseItFloorVote.html
It won't really matter that much... By that time, diesel will be over $9 a gallon, and many truckers and transport companies will be going out of business. Expect shortages of all sorts. It won't matter than much if you can't afford to buy anything, since there won't be much of anything on the shelves to buy.
And of course, there's the cost of fertilizer. I've heard a number of farmers say that due to the incredibly high cost of fertilizer, they're not going to plant crops, just hay, so there could well be food shortages as well.
With oil and fuel prices moving the way they are, we could be in for a very nasty surprise.
Mark
>Are you implying that the folks who post here are all talk?<
No, I am only posting my actual experience.
A long time ago (2001) I had an experience in which many people posted what they were going to do and when push came to shove, only about 10% had performed as they said they would.
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