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Home gardening offers ways to trim grocery costs [Survival Today, an on going thread]
Dallas News.com ^ | March 14th, 2008 | DEAN FOSDICK

Posted on 03/23/2008 11:36:40 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny

Americans finding soaring food prices hard to stomach can battle back by growing their own food. [Click image for a larger version] Dean Fosdick Dean Fosdick

Home vegetable gardens appear to be booming as a result of the twin movements to eat local and pinch pennies.

At the Southeastern Flower Show in Atlanta this winter, D. Landreth Seed Co. of New Freedom, Pa., sold three to four times more seed packets than last year, says Barb Melera, president. "This is the first time I've ever heard people say, 'I can grow this more cheaply than I can buy it in the supermarket.' That's a 180-degree turn from the norm."

Roger Doiron, a gardener and fresh-food advocate from Scarborough, Maine, said he turned $85 worth of seeds into more than six months of vegetables for his family of five.

A year later, he says, the family still had "several quarts of tomato sauce, bags of mixed vegetables and ice-cube trays of pesto in the freezer; 20 heads of garlic, a five-gallon crock of sauerkraut, more homegrown hot-pepper sauce than one family could comfortably eat in a year and three sorts of squash, which we make into soups, stews and bread."

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She compares the current period of market uncertainty with that of the early- to mid-20th century when the concept of victory gardens became popular.

"A lot of companies during the world wars and the Great Depression era encouraged vegetable gardening as a way of addressing layoffs, reduced wages and such," she says. "Some companies, like U.S. Steel, made gardens available at the workplace. Railroads provided easements they'd rent to employees and others for gardening."

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3. APPLE CIDER YAM BREAD
Posted by: “Virginia

APPLE CIDER YAM BREAD

“This quick sweet bread made with richly colored, orange-fleshed yam
tastes almost like cake.”

4 cups all-purpose flour
1 tablespoon baking powder
2 teaspoons baking soda
1 1/2 teaspoons salt
2 teaspoons ground cinnamon
1 teaspoon freshly-grated nutmeg
1/2 teaspoon ground cloves
1 cup butter or margarine, softened at room temperature
1 pound light brown sugar - (2 1/2 cups)
2 cups orange-fleshed precooked yams, pureed, or thoroughly mashed
1 cup apple cider
4 eggs, beaten to a froth
1 1/2 cups chopped walnuts
2 cups dark raisins

Preheat oven to 350 degrees F. Grease three 9- by 5- by 3-inch loaf
pans; set aside until needed.

Into a large bowl, sift together flour, baking powder, baking soda,
salt, cinnamon, nutmeg, and cloves; set aside.

In a second large bowl, cream butter and brown sugar together until
light and well blended. Add pureed yams, cider, and eggs. Stir until
smooth and thoroughly blended. About 1 cup at a time, add the flour
mixture to the yam mixture, stirring well after each addition. Don’t
beat this batter. Fold in nuts and raisins. Spoon into prepared pans.

Bake until medium golden brown on top, about 45 minutes to 1 hour. Check
doneness with a toothpick: Insert into the center of one loaf; if it
comes out clean the loaves are done. Remove loaves from oven and let
stand about 10 minutes, then turn onto a wire rack to cool. Serve warm
or cold.

Makes 3 loaves
Recipe Source:
http://www.recipelink.com/cgi/dbase/msgbrd/getamazon.pl?asin=0679414754
The Many Blessings Cookbook: A Celebration of Harvest, Home, and
Country Cooking by Jane Watson Hopping, the Pioneer Lady

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Ginny
Cranberry Twp, Pa

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4. SWISS RAISIN SNACK
Posted by: “Virginia

SWISS RAISIN SNACK

An energy-boosting snack or breakfast similar to muesli, a popular
cereal developed as a health food by a Swiss nutritionist. Scoop this
low-sodium, high-fiber, crunchy mix into plastic sandwich bags and take
it with you on a hike.

2 cups uncooked old-fashioned rolled oats
1 cup sweetened shredded coconut
1/2 cup wheat germ
1/2 cup salted sunflower seeds
1/2 teaspoon ground cinnamon
1/4 cup honey
3 tablespoons canola oil
2 cups Sun-Maid Natural Raisins

Heat oven to 300 degrees F. Grease a 15 1/2 x 10 1/2-inch jelly roll
pan.

Combine oats, coconut, wheat germ, sunflower seeds and cinnamon in large
bowl.

Heat honey and oil in microwave on high for 30 seconds or just until
syrupy.

Drizzle over oats mixture and stir until mixture is evenly coated.
Spread onto prepared pan.

Bake for 30 minutes until golden brown, stirring several times.

Remove from oven and add raisins while still hot.

Cool completely and store in a tightly covered container up to 2 weeks.

Makes 6 cups

Nutrients per serving (1 cup): Calories 529, Protein 9.8g, Fat 18.8g
(Sat. Fat 4.9g), Carbohydrates 83g, Dietary Fiber 9.3g, Cholesterol 0mg,
Sodium 60mg

Source: Sun-Maid Growers of California

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Ginny
Cranberry Twp, Pa

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5. AUNT ADDIE’S SQUASH BISCUITS
Posted by: “Virginia

AUNT ADDIE’S SQUASH BISCUITS

2 cups milk
1/2 cup shortening
2 cakes yeast, dissolved in warm water
8 cups flour
1 tbsp salt
1/2 cup sugar
1 egg, beaten
1 cup squash, sieved ((winter squash, like hubbard or butternut))

Scald milk with shortening and cool to lukewarm.

Dissolve yeast in warm water.

Sift flour, sugar, and salt together. Add warm milk, yeast, egg and
squash to flour and mix well. Set in warm place to rise double in size.

Cut down and let rise again.

Knead and form into biscuits (place on lightly greased baking sheets)
and let rise double.

Bake 30 minutes at 350 degrees F.

Makes 4 dozen rolls
Source:
http://www.recipelink.com/cgi/dbase/msgbrd/getamazon.pl?asin=B0007EVNPA

Early American Recipes collection, 1953, by Heloise Frost

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Ginny
Cranberry Twp, Pa

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6. Bier Rocks (using frozen dough) TNT
Posted by: “Virginia

Title:
Recipe(tried): Bier Rocks (using frozen dough)
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Board:
http://www.recipelink.com/msgbrd/board_0/tklcc.html Cooking Club at
Recipelink.com

From:
Patricia Karr 9-5-2006

MSG ID: 0077667

I’d like to thank all those who have shared their recipes. I’ve tried
many and they are all delicious! I’ve never seen a recipe here for bier
rocks so I’d like to share mine with you. I’ve made them for many years.

BIER ROCKS

1 pkg. frozen dinner roll dough, unbaked
1 lb. sausage
2 lbs. hamburger
1 onion, chopped or diced
1 head cabbage, chopped
Worcestershire sauce to taste
Any cheese desired, sliced

Grease pans and set dinner rolls (dough balls) on them to rise.

In a skillet brown the first 3 ingredients together and drain, add the
cabbage and Worcestershire sauce and cook until cabbage is tender.

When the dough balls have risen, roll out one at a time thinly on a
lightly floured surface. Place some cheese (about 1/2 a slice) in the
center of the dough, spoon some (1 TBSP at a time) of meat and cabbage
mixture onto the cheese and wrap the ends of the dough over the mixture
and pinch to seal it, turn it over so that the pinch is on the bottom
and place on a greased baking pan to rise again. Repeat for each roll.

Bake at 350 degrees F until golden brown.

I bake several, wrap individually and freeze for a quick reheat in the
microwave later. This is also a great football food.

I hope you will enjoy this recipe as much as I have and have enjoyed
your recipes! Patricia

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Ginny
Cranberry Twp, Pa

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7. YOGURT BANANA BREAD (similar to Bob Evans)
Posted by: “Virginia

YOGURT BANANA BREAD

1/2 cup butter or margarine, room temperature
1 cup sugar
2 eggs
1 teaspoon vanilla extract
1 1/2 cups flour
1 teaspoon baking soda
1/2 teaspoon salt
1 cup mashed bananas
1/2 cup vanilla yogurt

Cream the butter and sugar. Add eggs and vanilla. Add dry ingredients;
mix well. Add bananas and yogurt.

Bake in a greased loaf pan at 350 degrees F for 1 hour.
One of the notes said similar if you add nuts. I don’t know since I have
never been to a Bob Evan’s. Good Luck.

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Ginny
Cranberry Twp, Pa

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8. Zesty Pork Chops and Grilled Vegetables
Posted by: “Julie & Miss Mercy”

Zesty Pork Chops and Grilled Vegetables

Prep Time:
5 min
Total Time:
36 min
Makes:
4 servings
4 bone-in pork chops, 1/2 inch thick (1-1/4 lb.)
1/4 cup KRAFT Light Zesty Italian Dressing
1 Tbsp. GREY POUPON Dijon Mustard
2 medium red peppers, cut lengthwise into wedges
2 zucchini, cut diagonally into 1/4-inch-thick slices

PREHEAT grill to medium heat. Pierce both sides of chops several times
with fork; place in shallow dish. Combine dressing and mustard. Pour
half of the
dressing mixture over chops; cover dish.

REFRIGERATE at least 15 min. to marinate. Set remaining dressing mixture
aside for later use. Remove chops from marinade; discard marinade.

GRILL chops and vegetables 7 to 8 min. on each side or until chops are
cooked through (160ºF) and vegetables are crisp-tender, brushing
occasionally with
the reserved dressing mixture.

Note: When grilling, use tongs or a spatula to turn meats on the cooking
grate. A fork pierces the meat and causes precious natural juices to be
lost.
How to Clean a Grill: To clean a gas grill, close the lid of the grill
and heat on HIGH about 10 min. to burn away the excess food residue.
Then, turn off the heat and use a long-handled wire brush to scrub the
grates clean. Clean charcoal grills while they are still hot. Use a
long-handled wire brush to scrub the grill grates clean.
From
www.kraftfoods.com

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9. Foil-Pack Halibut Florentine
Posted by: “Julie & Miss Mercy”

Foil-Pack Halibut Florentine

Prep Time:
10 min
Total Time:
20 min
Makes:
4 servings, one packet each.
2 cups instant white rice, uncooked
2 cups warm water
4 skinless halibut fillets (1 lb.)
4 cups packed fresh baby spinach leaves
1/2 cup KRAFT Sun-Dried Tomato Dressing
1 Tbsp. KRAFT Grated Parmesan Cheese

PREHEAT grill to medium-high heat. Spoon 1/2 cup rice onto center of
each of four 18x12-inch sheets of heavy-duty foil with the sides
slightly rolled up.
Pour 1/2 cup warm water over each mound of rice; top with 1 fish fillet.
Arrange spinach around fish; top with dressing.

BRING up foil sides. Double fold top and ends to seal each packet,
leaving room for heat circulation inside.

GRILL 10 min. or until fish flakes easily with fork. Place one packet on
each of four dinner plates. Cut slits in foil to release steam before
opening each
packet. Sprinkle with cheese.

Substitute: Prepare as directed, using any flaky white fish.
From
www.kraftfoods.com

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10. Beef, Vegetable and Shells Skillet
Posted by: “Julie & Miss Mercy”

Beef, Vegetable and Shells Skillet

Prep Time:
15 min
Total Time:
35 min
Makes:
6 servings, 1-1/3 cups each
1 pkg. (12 oz.) VELVEETA Shells & Cheese Dinner Made With 2% Milk Cheese
1 lb. extra lean ground beef
1/2 cup KRAFT Light Zesty Italian Dressing
1 bag (16 oz.) frozen vegetable blend (red peppers, carrots, broccoli
and cauliflower), thawed
1 tsp. dried basil leaves
1/2 cup KRAFT 2% Milk Shredded Sharp Cheddar Cheese

PREPARE Dinner as directed on package.

MEANWHILE, brown meat with dressing in large skillet on medium heat. Add
vegetables and basil; cook 5 min. or until heated through, stirring
occasionally.

STIR in Dinner; sprinkle with Cheddar cheese. Cover; cook 5 min. or
until Cheddar cheese is melted.

Substitute: Any frozen vegetable blend will work in this easy skillet
meal, so use your family’s favorite.
From
www.kraftfoods.com

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11. BBQ Grilled Steak Wraps
Posted by: “Julie & Miss Mercy”

BBQ Grilled Steak Wraps

Prep Time:
15 min
Total Time:
27 min
Makes:
4 servings
1 beef sirloin steak (1 lb.)
1 onion, sliced 1/2-inch thick
1 each: red and green pepper, quartered
1/2 cup BULL’S-EYE Steakhouse Barbecue Sauce with A.1. or KRAFT
Original Barbecue Sauce
8 TACO BELL® HOME ORIGINALS® Flour Tortillas
1/2 cup KRAFT 2% Milk Shredded Cheddar Cheese

PREHEAT greased grill to medium heat.

GRILL steak 1 min. Add vegetables to grill. Cook 8 to 10 min. or until
steak is medium doneness (160ºF) and vegetables are crisp-tender,
turning occasionally
and brushing frequently with the barbecue sauce for the last 5 min. of
the grilling time.

CUT steak and vegetables into thin strips. Spoon evenly onto tortillas;
sprinkle with cheese. Roll up.

TACO BELL® and HOME ORIGINALS® are trademarks owned and licensed by Taco
Bell Corp.
Substitute: Substitute boneless skinless chicken breasts for steak.
From
www.kraftfoods.com

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12. Sicilian Sausage Soup
Posted by: “sharon

Sicilian Sausage Soup

This is a great soup. It is hearty and very filling. I added 3 cloves
garlic with the sausage and onion.

Recipe By : Family Circle
Serving Size : 8
Categories : Soups

Amount Measure Ingredient — Preparation Method
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1/2 pound pork sausage or sweet Italian sausage
1 large onion, chopped (1 cup)
1 can (2 pound 3 ounces) Italian-style tomatoes
2 cans (13 3/4 ounces each) chicken broth
1 teaspoon leaf basil, crumbled
1/2 cup orzo macaroni
1/4 teaspoon salt
1/8 teaspoon pepper

1. Cook sausage in a large saucepan, breaking up meat with wooden spoon,
until meat loses its pink color. (If using Italian sausage, remove casings
before cooking.) Add onion; sauté until tender, about 3 minutes. Add
tomatoes, broth and basil; bring to boiling; stir in orzo, salt and pepper.
Lower heat; cover; simmer until orzo is tender, about 10 minutes. Taste and
add additional salt and pepper if needed. Ladle into a tureen or soup
bowls. Serve with bread sticks or sesame crackers.

Recipe Author: Family Circle
Recipe Source: Family Circle Recipes America Loves Best
Author Note: Sausage adds a fine, robust flavor to this easy 30-minute soup.


To visit group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RecipesLostandFound/


7,601 posted on 12/03/2008 9:36:17 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts?page=7451 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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Favorite Frugal Tips

Renee Rivard submitted this question on The Frugal Life Forum:

I was wondering what some of your frugal tips are that you use in your everyday life. I use coupons, keep my receipts and when something goes on sale I take my receipt to get the sale price, keep all lights off when not in the room. Go on-line to get free items that I use and keep them when I go on vacation (personal items). Put all my change in a change jar, take my lunch to work. Use only half a cap of laundry detergent, use cold water to wash, etc,. I know these are just general frugal tips and have many more, but I was wondering what everyone else does to be frugal and your tips. Thank you.

http://www.thefrugallife.com/smf/index.php/topic,83.0.html

[3 pages of tips, several are very usable...]


7,602 posted on 12/03/2008 9:46:33 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts?page=7451 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: All; JDoutrider

http://www.thefrugallifenews.com/2008/11/celebrate-new-home-with-composting.html

Celebrate New Home With Composting Party

This couple while short on compost materials after making a move, hatched a perfect plan to acquire masses of good organic matter, and have fun while doing it.

They morphed their house warming party into a compost warming, and boy was it fun. Invitations were sent and word was spread they wanted rotting matter, and lots of it.

They offered prizes for the most useful, the most unusual, and the largest quantity of materials. I think it’s a great idea and wonderful way to get a good compost pile going right after moving into a new location.


7,603 posted on 12/03/2008 9:49:08 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts?page=7451 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Unfinished projects? What? You have unfinished projects?

Not me. no way. They’re not unfinished projects, they’re...ummm...my daughter’s legacy! Yeah, that’s it! LOL

making jerky today on my day off. It’s been marinating for a couple of days. The dogs aren’t getting far from the kitchen! Now all I have to do is find somewhere to hide it so I’ll have some for Christmas gifts!


7,604 posted on 12/03/2008 9:55:49 AM PST by gardengirl
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To: nw_arizona_granny

“Why do you think men were invented?

“Can you imagine two women working on the honey do list?

“One would make the list and the other one would have a better idea and nothing would be built.”

ROFL!!! That’s why this thread is so much fun, your comments are so witty.


7,605 posted on 12/03/2008 10:45:56 AM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Join us on the best FR thread, 7000+ posts: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

Paper Evergreens


7,606 posted on 12/03/2008 11:45:09 AM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Join us on the best FR thread, 7000+ posts: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts)
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Outdoor Lighting: Shooting Stars

Outdoor Lighting: Shooting Stars

To create striking outdoor lighting this holiday season, string several of these shooting stars in your yard. We hung our comets in trees that were 10 to 12 feet apart. To determine how many feet of lights you will need, measure the distance between the trees, add 8 to 12 inches (so the tail forms a swag), and multiply this number by 8.

Tools and Materials
White spray paint
24-inch star-shaped wire wreath form
12-foot strand of rope lights
Small zip ties
Drill with 3/16-inch bit
44-inch-long strip of 1-by-2-inch pine
Six 2-inch binder rings
Large, heavy-duty zip ties
100-bulb strands of white wire mini lights

Shooting Stars How-To
1. Spray paint star-shaped wire wreath form. Let dry.

2. Plug in rope lights, and secure end to an outer point on the star with a small zip tie. Trim tie end. Wrap rope lights around outermost wire of star; secure strand with small zip ties (rope lights will not wrap an even number of times around the star). Trim tie ends.

3. Drill 5 holes into pine strip, spacing the first hole 2 inches from the top and other holes 10 inches apart. Place binder ring in each hole.

4. Attach 2 adjacent outer points of star to tree trunk with large zip ties. (If necessary, thread zip ties together to reach around tree.) Trim tie ends. Attach remaining binder ring to inner point of star, opposite side fixed to tree.

5. Attach strip to second tree by lashing it vertically to trunk with large zip ties, positioning strip's top 3 to 4 feet lower than bottom of star. Trim tie ends.

6. To make comet tails, secure prong end of mini lights to top binder ring on strip with small zip tie. Trim tie end. Pass light strand through binder ring on star, below left, and back toward strip, below right, plugging in more light strands as needed. Insert strand through next binder ring down on strip, and loop it back through star's ring. Repeat, finishing at strip's bottom ring.

For more ideas and installation tips, see Nights All Aglow.

First Published: December 2007

7,607 posted on 12/03/2008 1:23:25 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Join us on the best FR thread, 7000+ posts: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts)
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Gift Boxes

Lit from within, these presents suggest magical snow sculptures; the open bottom and a small hole provide ventilation. Anchor a battery-powered candle or outdoor-safe light fixture underneath a ready-made plastic box. Cut waterproofed fabric ribbon long enough to wrap around three sides of box, leaving extra to be secured with electrical tape inside the box. Repeat with additional lengths of ribbon, imitating a wrapped gift.

 

Tie a bow, and affix it to the box top with tape.


7,608 posted on 12/03/2008 1:28:12 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Join us on the best FR thread, 7000+ posts: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

To create striking outdoor lighting this holiday season, string several of these shooting stars in your yard. We hung our comets in trees that were 10 to 12 feet apart.

<<<<This is really nice!! Thanks for posting!


7,609 posted on 12/03/2008 1:30:16 PM PST by Freedom56v2
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To: bushwon; nw_arizona_granny

You are welcome! This thread is a blast, so much good, fun and valuable information! Granny is a wonder, she has found everything on here.


7,610 posted on 12/03/2008 2:38:02 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Join us on the best FR thread, 7000+ posts: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts)
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Nights All Aglow

7,611 posted on 12/03/2008 2:55:22 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Join us on the best FR thread, 7000+ posts: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts)
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To: nw_arizona_granny
Some things he didn’t put off, he was a little part German and from them got the habit of building things that did not fall down.

I had a friend whose father was a farmer in upstate New York. He was German and had been trained as a machinist. He was of course a newcomer among his farmer neighbors. My friend's father tried to be friends with his neighbors but I guess they were a bit clannish up there, so he had to do a lot of the work on his farm alone, and much of it was back-breaking labor.

Then one day a neighbor had a machine that broke down. Having it fixed was out of the question, because it was made in Germany. The fittings were very precise. Finally someone thought of asking the German farmer if he could take a look at it. He did, took it apart, fixed the broken piece, and put it together again. It ran perfectly. He gained immeasurable credibility after that, and was from then on considered an equal.

I would like to have met Catherine and Logan. They (and many Mormons) do the work we Christians are supposed to be doing. We can learn a lot from them. I heard Dennis Prager say that the state of California is investigating Mormons now because they supported Proposition 9. If we don't have a police state now, we will have one soon. Time to start listening to the scanner again.

7,612 posted on 12/03/2008 5:29:54 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Join us on the best FR thread, 7000+ posts: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts)
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To: nw_arizona_granny
Even if your main light comes from the east, you will still grow a lot of food in it....The west is too hot and they always say to use the southern facing greenhouse walls, and that gets hot too.

I will have to see what works. We have several microclimates around the house. The east backs up to a hill and receives almost no sun due to the hill, a couple of big California white oaks, and the house-length porch on the east side. There is moss growing on the wall between the hill and the driveway, even though the temperatures here get to 110 degrees!

The south side of the house is indeed sunny all day long and very hot. We have a cooler attached to the house there, too. I'd like to see what I can get to grow through the winter, and in the summer open the walls and have a roof that I can put shade cloth over. With 110 degrees we don't need more heat over there, LOL!

The north side of the house is a possibility too, since there is some flat land over there. If I can get some plants established in planters of a size that lets them grow but still can be moved, then I can wheel them around to different locations and see what works best. Or start the same plant and try it in simultaneous locations and see which one survives.

It will be interesting and I assume we'll learn a lot. I'd like to try melons and cucumbers, and some squash. And onions and garlic, and maybe some potatoes. And tomatoes, too. Thanks for all the wonderful ideas!

I have the second half of the thread saved into a big file now, and am going through it as we speak. It's hard slogging through all of the stuff that's posted because it's about 10,000 pages total. An encyclopedia!!

7,613 posted on 12/03/2008 5:39:57 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Join us on the best FR thread, 7000+ posts: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

Proposition 9 I meant Prop 8.


7,614 posted on 12/03/2008 5:41:01 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Join us on the best FR thread, 7000+ posts: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts)
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To: nw_arizona_granny
It had been a very short time before that he had a physical for his truck drivers license and all was well.

As luck would have it, we took the weekend off and visited friends, almost no work at home, some thing we never did, but felt the need to do so that weekend, maybe a little guiding from God.

The irrigation company he worked for, paid the white shirters a bonus, based on how much money they didn’t spend on repairs.

My first husband's father died of cancer in 1980 at age 58. He had worked at the US Steel wire mill in Waukegan for 30 years. They did a physical for him and the company doctor found that he had lung damage "from smoking" (maybe, maybe not) but anyway when Tony came down with cancer it was not their fault, not the fault of the dirt and smoke from the steel mill... nope, it was his fault for smoking.

7,615 posted on 12/03/2008 5:48:30 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Join us on the best FR thread, 7000+ posts: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts)
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
December 3, 2008
Release #09-061

CPSC Recall Hotline: (800) 638-2772
CPSC Media Contact: (301) 504-7908

Major Apparel Retailer To Pay a $60,000 Civil Penalty For Failure To Report Drawstrings In Children’s Outerwear

WASHINGTON, D.C. - The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) announced today that Nordstrom Inc., of Seattle, Wash., has agreed to pay a $60,000 civil penalty. The penalty settles allegations that the firm knowingly failed to report to the CPSC immediately, as required by federal law, that its children’s hooded jackets and sweaters were sold with drawstrings at the hood and neck. These products, which the firm eventually recalled, pose a strangulation hazard that can cause death to children. The settlement has been provisionally accepted by the Commission.

CPSC alleged that Nordstrom failed to report to the government in a timely manner that drawstring jackets and sweaters were sold by the firm. Nordstrom sold about 2,400 drawstring jackets and sweaters in the United States between November 2007 and December 2007. In February 2008 and March 2008, CPSC and Nordstrom announced the recall of the drawstring jackets and sweaters.

In February 1996, CPSC issued drawstring guidelines (pdf) to help prevent children from getting entangled and possibly strangling on hood and neck drawstrings in upper outerwear, such as jackets and sweatshirts. In May 2006, CPSC’s Office of Compliance announced (pdf) that children’s upper outerwear with drawstrings at the hood or neck would be regarded as defective and a substantial risk of injury to young children.

Federal law requires manufacturers, distributors, and retailers to report to CPSC immediately (within 24 hours) after obtaining information reasonably supporting the conclusion that a product contains a defect which could create a substantial product hazard, creates an unreasonable risk of serious injury or death, or violates any consumer product safety rule, or any other rule, regulation, standard, or ban enforced by the CPSC.

In agreeing to settle the matter, Nordstrom Inc. denies CPSC’s allegations that it knowingly violated the law.


7,616 posted on 12/03/2008 6:19:59 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts?page=7451 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

nope, it was his fault for smoking.<<<

I have forgotten what I was forced to pay for Workman’s Compensation insurance, when I had my real estate office, more than it was worth for one employee.

Some where I heard that if you have claims, then you pay more for the insurance, I am thankful that I did not find out.

With both Valley Fever and Emphysema they still blame the smoking, that I did for years, not the soil that contains the Valley Fever.

Now you know why I am nervous of doctors, altho, I do admit, that I could not breathe without their medicines for the lungs.


7,617 posted on 12/03/2008 6:38:05 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts?page=7451 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

Proposition 9 I meant Prop 8.<<<

LOL, yes, I figured that out.


7,618 posted on 12/03/2008 6:39:11 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts?page=7451 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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I would like to have met Catherine and Logan. They (and many Mormons) do the work we Christians are supposed to be doing. We can learn a lot from them. I heard Dennis Prager say that the state of California is investigating Mormons now because they supported Proposition 9. If we don’t have a police state now, we will have one soon. Time to start listening to the scanner again.<<<

The German farmer, is a sample of how people are, it was the same in Wellton, as they had many people who ‘passed through’ Wellton and did not stay, we were not accepted for about 2 years, except by Mary and some of the men that Bill worked with.

Yes, to the scanner, there are car fires again this week, all over the west and more gunfire, they had died down for a couple weeks, I am assuming that it is related to India.

Yes, Catherine and Logan were special people, with a history behind them that few know about.

Not many know, that in one of the Mormon Farm takeovers, that a great deal of the west was granted to them, to get them out of the east.

It is rarely found in the history books, but is true.

[Big Bear scanner. com, has a box van in full flames on the side of the road and is about to ignite the brush on fire, on the scanner now, just reported by an Officer. I think that is the url, as it does not show on the player, except when it starts.... ]

A western history class that I took at the college, about 1983, included a couple of days on a trip to St George, Utah, we made a circle/loop and saw several of the Mormon farms, etc as they are part of our history in Arizona.

Beautiful and the Peace in them is something to go and feel.

If you study the religion, you will find that it is not that different from any other Christian religion, they just added to it...and regular history books, even prove some of the beliefs that they have.

No, I won’t attempt to convert you, LOL, for that I would call Catherine and have her send the missionaries to you.

That is the threat she has made to me all these years, “Do you want me to call the Missionaries out for you?”

The state of California, had better investigate the terrorists they are harboring, as they keep sending anthrax/or envelopes of white powder to Utah, to Mormon Churches...fact, in the news.

We will have as much to fear from some of these anarchists as we do from the drug gangs.


7,619 posted on 12/03/2008 6:55:33 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts?page=7451 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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The south side of the house is indeed sunny all day long and very hot. We have a cooler attached to the house there, too. I’d like to see what I can get to grow through the winter, and in the summer open the walls and have a roof that I can put shade cloth over. With 110 degrees we don’t need more heat over there, LOL!<<<

I wouldn’t worry about flat ground, make ledges to hold your plants if it is steep enough.

I have seen photos of large hillside greenhouses, going downhill, as long as you keep it as high as possible, 8’ at least.

Don’t bother with the cute little 6x9 foot greenhouses, as they are instantly hot or cold.

Keep in mind the bigger the better.

You will figure it out, sometimes a little shelter, not sealed will work.

In the summer, a couple of old sheets, will block the heat nicely and even stay wet, for a few minutes on the hot wall and ceiling.

What fun you will have figuring and testing your setup.


7,620 posted on 12/03/2008 7:01:17 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts?page=7451 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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