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Anna Nicole Smith, The Investigation

Posted on 03/09/2007 8:53:08 PM PST by mom4kittys

Edited on 03/09/2007 9:36:53 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

"""John OQuinn - just repeated so sarcastically - remember this was all "accidental" - OQ - it was a murder."""

I wondered if you, or anyone watching, noticed the way O'Quinn said Perper's name....he said "Perp (pause) er"

It was funny!


12,141 posted on 03/27/2007 5:06:47 AM PDT by sodpoodle ( laughter - more is better!)
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To: blueplum

Once the blood vessels collapse, only a slight amount would move based on gravity. Think of the heart as a sump pump that has shut down.


12,142 posted on 03/27/2007 5:08:26 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: An American In Dairyland

Speaking of the Seminole police...I wonder if Virgie could talk the Florida Bureau of Investigations into reviewing the LE/MEs procedures and findings? I mean, what is the recourse for inept police work? Justice is thwarted due to incompetence?? If it were my family member, I would try to move up the food chain in law enforcement if dissatisfied with the local yokels.


12,143 posted on 03/27/2007 5:22:38 AM PDT by TennesseeGirl
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To: blueplum
I would guess that when KE called, on the day she died, it was only a few minutes before the fatal dose. If she was dead by 11:00 which is what I think, she was given the fatal dose between 8 and 9.

Moe came in about 9:30, said he was going to breakfast and saw her moving but Anna said nothing.

Howard said he helped her to the bathroom at 10:00 but I don't think that happened. She weighed 178 lbs.

Where were the clothes she wore last??

I don't think anyone except Howard saw Anna between the time KE left and Moe stopped by.

I found it very convenient that there was a lounge between the two rooms. How convenient because it gave Howard a place to seat people and keep everyone out or say...I'll be right out....with several minutes elapsing.....time enough for him to carefully cover Anna up before Moe came in.

12,144 posted on 03/27/2007 5:25:03 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: blueplum

Howard told Perper she had a rough night BUT KE said she called twice, the night before and that morning and Anna was fine.


12,145 posted on 03/27/2007 5:26:51 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau
I agree. It's not like she was sick and mixed cold pills herself not knowing there would be a bad reaction. Some of these people had medical degrees and they were giving her drugs that would cause a bad reaction. To me that seems intentional not an accident!!
I read one article that said she was drinking at the hotel bar the nite before she died?? I don't think I can believe that either since she was bed ridden, or is that when those in her room say she had a miraculous recovery only to die the next afternoon? I also have a problem with her 105 degree fever that changes days...one minute it's Tuesday and in the ice tub, then it's Thur, when Howard left and they were icing her down? A 105 degree fever just don't come and go with one day of pills with that infection growing inside her. I still say the point that KE left on Wed. is strange(if she was very sick...why leave and if she was "scheduled" to die...why stay))maybe they figured she would die that nite. If she was feeding BETTER why did they give her more stuff to sleep? Like Larry said, those that were with her need to be accounted for and have to answer some questions. I wonder if they can all keep their story straight or will someone crack?!?!?!
12,146 posted on 03/27/2007 5:27:01 AM PDT by shywolf
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To: TennesseeGirl

Bob Mackey(sp) atty on Fox - made comments about circumstantial evidence in ANS' death - had more support for a wrongful death suit by Virgie or Larry on behalf of DL.

I really believe O'Quinn is making preparations for a wrongful death suit against Stern and Erosevich. His comments on TV demand it. Otherwise he is putting himself out there for slander - which is another way to get Stern in court under oath and then file a counter-suit.

Seems a bit complex, but there has been nothing simple about this saga so far.


12,147 posted on 03/27/2007 5:28:18 AM PDT by sodpoodle ( laughter - more is better!)
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To: gopheraj
Your comments made me wonder if there is a previous connection between Howard Stern and Dr. Joshua Perper. Dr. Perper might have good credentials but credentials do not assure mental stability, common sense, or integrity. I noticed that many of you had qualms about Dr. Perper from the start.

No way can he declare that her death was an accident if you look at the facts. I expected an "undecided."

Why such a ruling? Does he lives in a fantasy world? Or does he wants to become an expert witness for defense lawyers and it's all about the money?

12,148 posted on 03/27/2007 5:31:36 AM PDT by apocalypto
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To: sodpoodle

The O'Quinn Law Firm

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Address: 2300 Lyric Centre Building
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Phone: (713) 223-1000

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12,149 posted on 03/27/2007 5:31:42 AM PDT by sodpoodle ( laughter - more is better!)
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To: sodpoodle
I'm po'd out of my mind because Perper's call of "accidental" is only an "opinion" and it's being construed as "fact".

The only FACT is that she died of an overdose and he knows which drug was the fatal dose.

12,150 posted on 03/27/2007 5:35:10 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: apocalypto

I agree OR Perper has a connection to KE OR is just plain stupid and gives her a pass regarding info she told him. You know doctors don't lie to each other. /sarc


12,151 posted on 03/27/2007 5:35:45 AM PDT by gopheraj
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To: apocalypto
Apparently, if you don't leave a suicide note, it's not suicide; if you don't see someone give her the last shot or drink, it's not murder; and if someone says she was fine when I left, it's accidental.

Such half a** logic befuddles me.

12,152 posted on 03/27/2007 5:40:09 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: All

what about the omelet?


12,153 posted on 03/27/2007 5:40:46 AM PDT by mommya
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

I agree with others who think Tiger was just trying to keep trouble away from their Hotel/Casino tribe moneymaker.




What I don't understand is how does he think this makes him/them look good!?!


12,154 posted on 03/27/2007 5:47:05 AM PDT by Southerngl
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To: stlnative

boat people:

Reel Deal's owner and President, Marcos Morjain
Ned Bruck, general manager of Reel Deal Yachts
Vince Pyle, owner, V & G Yachtworks
( ) Dekema, Real Deal yachts
(unknown employee on boat, at sea, with Stern)

pertinent facts:
a) The yacht was shipped to The Bahamas, where Smith lived with Stern, on Friday (09FEB07). Stern was reportedly on the boat in Fort Lauderdale when he heard that his girlfriend had been found unconscious in her suite

Wayne Munroe said ****Stern returned to the home on Saturday after sailing from Florida**** on the yacht that he and Smith had recently purchased. He said Smith had christened the boat The Cracker.

Stern was on the 40-foot boat, speaking by phone to the broker who sold it to him, when he got a frantic call telling him that Anna Nicole had collapsed

b) V&G Yachtworks owner Vince Pyle told The Post that one of his workers was ***at sea*** with Stern, giving him a trial run on the used, 10-year-old boat "when Howard got the phone call.

"The minute he got the phone call, Howard said, 'Oh, my God, I need to get back to the dock right away! My wife is in trouble!" Pyle said, quoting his worker.

"He told [the worker] who his wife is. They went back to the docks, and [the employee] helped him off quickly

c) Dekema, who works for Reel Deal yachts in Miami Beach, said Smith had visited the boat earlier in the week. The couple had flown to Florida on Monday to pick up the boat and were scheduled to sail to the Bahamas on Friday.

Instead, Stern sailed the boat home with only Capt. Eric Dickson by his side.
(notes:
1. no Bridgette?
2. 10 hour trip to 'get back to Danilynn quickly'?
3. "36 hours in bed??"
4. ET's "plane ride home" faked?
5. "at sea" cruise/testrun before planned sailback that afternoon with Anna & Co? )

After the boat docked, Stern reclaimed Smith's baby daughter - now the subject of a bitter paternity battle - from a friend who was watching her.


Sterns Bahamian lawyer, Wayne Munroe, said Stern and the baby were still inside the home yesterday.


12,155 posted on 03/27/2007 5:48:39 AM PDT by blueplum ((don't lose the forest for the trees !! ))
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To: All
We go through life with all kinds of "gifts" and only get to use them on an opportunity basis.

KE appears to be particularly well-versed on the meds for a Physciatrist/Doctor. Were meds/chemistry a specialty in school med school?

Did she ever have a REAL private practice where she was passing out meds like candy to various patients?? Did she ever have other REAL patients??

12,156 posted on 03/27/2007 5:52:37 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: bria

'no water' came from Mark Steines, ET
"taking bath/washing hair/all ok" came from Eroshevich


12,157 posted on 03/27/2007 5:54:23 AM PDT by blueplum ((don't lose the forest for the trees !! ))
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To: dezrat

No diagrams, usually there is a body outline with references to marks, etc. The bruises on her back would've been noted.
No gross description (height, weight, race, etc.)
Limited notation of organ weights.
No tattoo locations or descriptions

Did I miss something?




I thought it looked unusual for an autopsy of someone who died suspiciously. It looked more like a report about someone who was elderly and just died. Just making notations about the deceased. It looks like they just assumed from day one it was an 'accidental' overdose and let it go as that.


12,158 posted on 03/27/2007 5:54:35 AM PDT by Southerngl
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To: All

was the nurse with anna a "real" nurse?


12,159 posted on 03/27/2007 5:57:24 AM PDT by shywolf
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To: blueplum

Where did that info come from because it's substantially different from ...Howard arrivd at the dock at about 1:00 and was about 40 feet from his car, standing on the dock when he got the call within a few minutes.


12,160 posted on 03/27/2007 5:58:03 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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