Posted on 12/10/2006 8:06:17 PM PST by Rb ver. 2.0
The Mary Cheney lesbian baby birthing threads are deteriorating into two factions, those who think it's ok for lesbians/homosexuals to raise kids and those who don't.
Please answer Yes or No to the following question: Do you approve of Homosexual/Lesbian couples raising children?
since we both agree there is nothing government can (or should) do about this - let it go. Because once it turns into a "demonize Mary Cheney" issue, it hurts republicans amongst independents. like it hurt Jim Talent when the stem vell debate became a personal issue vis-a-vis Michael J Fox.
This thread covers no new ground and has no positive effect on discourse.
And yet - yours is the 202nd reply on this meaningless thread...;-)
Perhaps, but it is a very good place to keep track of who's who, ifyouknowwhatimean. : )
Give that lady a cigar! :)
Silly boy, smokers are very bad people.
No
You said.."Most of these foster care kids can NOT be adopted due to the fact the parents will not release them to be adopted. Also, the amount of true orphans is very small in this country."
Wow! You are very VERY misinformed about what the foster care situation is all about. VERY. It has nothing to do with the parents not "releasing them for adoption." Do you have any idea how difficult it is to actually have children removed from the custody of their parents, and have the courts AGAINST THEIR WILL go through the legal process of having their parental rights terminated AGAINST THEIR WILL????? And how about trying this..in the liberal state of California? Kids are sent back home (like mine were, three times) because the social workers / attorneys are afraid to face a judge, and afraid to fight the birthparents, than to protect the innocent.
No matter what birth parents do to children in this country, they have ALL the rights and the children have NONE. You have no idea the kind of agonizing proof it takes the counties / state agencies to prove the parents cannot, will not take BASIC proper care of their children, or prove that the parents have neglected or abused their kids to the extent that their natural, God-given right to keep their own birthchildren is involuntarily removed.
So it has nothing WHATSOEVER to do with birthparents refusing to surrender their kids. Of COURSE they're not going to give them up to the government!!! Across the board, parents who commit atrocities against their own children maintain a strong victim mentality, and defend to the death their right to do whatever they want to towards their own children.
Even after parental rights are terminated, those same birth parents EACH have the right to appeal it, with taxpayer money, until the appellete courts decide that the letter of the law was followed in the termination of their parental rights, and that there is no hope of recovering any kind of healthy, meaningful, non-violent, appropriate parent/child relationship.
Yes, there absolutely ARE tens of thousands of orphans in this country -- who have been created by destructive birthparents who leave the courts no recourse but to remove them permantly. Until approved and matching adoptive homes are found, no judge is going to create a "legal orphan" and terminate parental rights. So until a family is found, the children remain in limbo, and the system placates to the birthparents until a case is built that can be substantiated in front of a Family Court Judge.
I think there are a lot of people who, like you, want to sanitize the foster care situation. There is a critical & newsworthy need for families to step up, get trained & educated, and figure out how to provide a future and a life and hope to these kids who are 100% victims, and who had no power to stop the evil being done to them by THEIR BIRTHPARENTS. It's easy to say -- there are very few orphans in this country -- because decades ago we got rid of orphanages. I'm sure many like you sleep well and step around families like mine who give a damn, and who decide it's worth every single bit of sacrifice to take in these children who deserve a life beyond neglect and abuse and despair.
The things that most children waiting to be adopted in foster care experience across the board are so disgusting and descipable that if you were eating your dinnner and i told you the stories, you would vomit all over your table. Most people can't handle it.
And yes, the absolute majority of children in this country longing to be adopted by a family of their own are OLDER because of the system that requires years of documentation & proof of the pervasive pattern of severe abuse & neglect. Meanwhile their childhood is being robbed month after month -- year after year -- of waiting in foster care, which is a very flawed system at best.
Combating evil is hard work. There is little praise or reward involved. It's not for the faint of heart, or the spoiled, self-absorbed Americans who believe they are entitled to not be bumbarded with all the despair around them, and all the messy lives of these pathetic creatures who might cause a new family some grief and heartache because of their fear and rage and hopelessness.
Some of us aren't afraid to get our hands dirty.
excellent point, Moderator.
and youuuuu can't maaaaake me
DO IT!!!
DO IT!!!
THINK OF THE CHILRUN!!!!
I think there are so many unwanted children out there, so many kids in destructive, abusive homes, in foster homes that only want them for the monthly check, I think that ANY family that is proven to be loving and capable of giving children the love and attention that they need and deserve ought to be given the chance.
Many children are fostered/adopted into hetero homes, and are still abused. Heck, thousands of kids are abused and neglected by their birth parents. Being straight is not in and of itself indicative of being a good parent.
There are children out there who at this point will grow up without ever having a home, bouncing around within the system. I say NEVER should we reduce the numbers of willing adopters based on something that has absolutely no bearing on an individual's capacity to love a child.
Amen!
Teeny, I saw these kids first hand. I really did. It was years ago, but it still haunts me. Their "parents" cared about only booze, cigarettes, and dope. Bless you. :)
Instead of taking the ramp to the parking lot, they just pushed the cart right over the edge.
The little girl, who was probably three, starting crying, as those carts are not exactly soft.
Her mullet dad laughed and said, "Awww, did that hurt yer ass?"
I will never forget that, or any number of things I have seen while out and about, things that just break my heart and make me want to steal the kid.
I personally am involved right now with a four year old whose parents can't be bothered with him. Dad is crazy and mom is a stripper. But they are straight, right? Better off being dragged through the mud by heteros than be loved by "a fag".
Children need all the help they can get.
Incidentially, you should disregard any responce that says "No to adoption, yes if it's their own child". Homosexual couples cannot biologically have "their own child". It may be the biological child of ONE of the "partners", that shouldn't give the other partner any "right" to raise it. If we designated people as "parents" to the child of whoever they happen to be sleeping with, disaster would result. That goes for gay OR straight couples.
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