Posted on 04/11/2006 9:19:16 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
Remains of a typical Scottish/Celtic homestead. (from 12th Century New Zealand?) A modern native NZ Scottish/Celt surveys the ruins. Drystone walls have been pushed out and over. The typical hearthstone, the rock for the family's patron saint, the rock on which the dwellings protective God would have sat, and others are all still in traditional and recogniseable positions. Other such remains abound. This site is now difficult to reach by sea and little known. The original boat access is much changed and boat access is best achieved from an adjacent bay. It is also in the vicinity of a town, possibly of underground Scara-brae style dwellings, ancient Scottish/Celtic graves and sites of genocide and other atrocities.
(Excerpt) Read more at kilts.co.nz ...
obtained from wikipedia footnotes:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8123896/Stoush-over-pre-Maori-colonisers-theory
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10856261
So the terraced areas have been shown to date to before the Middle Ages?
I don’t know if any of the anomalies in the landscape have been conclusively dated.
see link #21
“...Maori stories speak of his ancestors being greeted by a different culture when landing on New Zealand’s shores and talk of red-headed, fair-skinned people, he said.
“Who were those people who greeted our wakas and red-headed, fair-skinned people?
“You can’t deny your oral history. If we try to as Maori we’re actually denying our history.”
Interesting stuff.
Perhaps the ‘red haired, fair skinned people’ were the same as settled East Island, remnants of which Tor Heyerdahl met and described in the book, Aka Aku.
Correction: East Island = EASTER ISLAND.
Māori pā (fort)[edit]The Māori name Maungakiekie means "mountain of the kiekie vine".[4] Māori also knew it as "tōtara that stands alone".[3] The mountain and its surrounds were home to the Te Wai ō Hua tribe from the early 1700s and probably before that time. Other Māori tribes in the Auckland area can also trace their ancestry to the mountain.
Maungakiekie was the largest and most important Māori pā in pre-European times. The cone and its surroundings are estimated to have been home to a population of up to 5,000.[5] At this time, the Nga Marama chief Kiwi Tamaki held the pa and used its strategic placement to exact tribute from travellers passing from Northland to the rest of the North Island through the rich isthmus. Its position between the Waitemata Harbour to the east (opening upon the Pacific Ocean) and the Manukau Harbour to the west (opening onto the Tasman Sea) offered a wide variety of seafood from the two harbours. The volcanic soil on the scoria cone was highly fertile, and the inhabitants terraced the slopes extensively. The hill was relatively easy to defend from raiding parties from other tribes due to its steep sides and imposing palisades. Waiohua occupation of the Māori pā ended around 1740-1750 AD when they were defeated in a war against the invading Ngati Whatua-o-Kaipara [6] The pā was abandoned around 1795 AD with the death of Te Taou leader Tuperiri [7]
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I'm not the one who's going to argue with the population of 5,000 natives who built this.
I’m very open minded when it comes to new theories, but it’s really hard for me to accept Scots could get to NZ using the naval technology of the 12th Century. This isn’t a hop across the Atlantic, but the longest voyage in the world for Europeans with months out of sight of land.
They were probably on a bender.
.... As a Kiwi, I’d love to believe in these theories ....
And, why not.
After all, if you’re as typically-Goebbels-propagandized as are most Kiwis, you likely already believe the Maoris didn’t (along with any and everyone else they could get their chops around) genocidally slaughter and eat almost every Moriori. And that they never had a Kupe, let alone a sense of “nation” — nor called their “nation” “aotearoa.”
For William Pember Reeves and Stevenson Percy Smith hadn’t yet written that fairy tale and nor had the “education” department’s “School Journal” yet promulgated the propaganda nor yet repeatedly recycled it until it had, thus, made the lie “the truth.”
.... the longest voyage in the world for Europeans .....
Please do not call we Gael/Celts — nor our ancestors — “europeons.”
And nor are we “britons.”
Afford us at least a little of the dignity we have earned — and continue to earn!
Fascinating! Thanks for posting!
:’) It’s a little fringey, but definitely worth visiting. :’) The topic I mean, but I suppose the sites are as well.
I love a good conspiracy story or historical mystery. :)
New light shed on origins of Maori
Matthew Wright
July 28, 2010
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/perspective/3964223/New-light-shed-on-origins-of-Maori
[snip] When Pakeha first started looking at the problem, about 160 years ago - based on what Maori told them, and what was also obvious - they basically got it right. Largely on the basis of linguistic similarities, settler- ethnographers such as William Colenso concluded in the 1860s that Maori came probably from the Cook Islands or a nearby group. Whakapapa suggested they had done so early in the fourteenth century - as Colenso put it, “scarcely four centuries before Cook”. [/snip]
Thank you.
That’s interesting. Thanks again for all the links.
My pleasure.
You've got those, too? :-)
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