Posted on 03/31/2006 2:02:29 PM PST by N3WBI3
Over the next five years, Oracle is predicting annual growth of 12 percent for the open source OS
Linux adoptions are to grow in the next three to five years at nearly triple the rate of Windows, according to Oracle.
In an interview at the LinuxWorld conference in Sydney, the database company suggested Linux deployments had grown beyond an adoption phase, and were now becoming ubiquitous in small and large businesses alike.
Monica Kumar, director of Oracle's Linux programme office, pointed to the open source operating system becoming mainstream as "businesses are looking to Linux as a way to save money," and quotes a projected annual growth rate of 11.7 percent over the next five years. The software heavyweight claims analysts project Windows' growth over the same period as being 3.6 percent per year.
"We don't come across many big companies these days that don't have a Linux strategy, which is in contrast to the market three years ago," says Kumar.
It's not just enterprise customers leading the charge, though. "Small [companies] are now betting their businesses on Linux".
Kumar points to market awareness and a growing number of Linux-savvy developers in developing countries to drive the uptake, and suggests open standards are a huge driver.
"Linux is mainstream. There are a lot of questions that we used to get maybe two years ago where people used to say: 'Is Linux really ready for the enterprise? Can you give me some proof points? Who's deploying it? ...I need to prove the ROI or TCO to my CIO about Linux'. It's been two years and I don't get that question anymore."
She also goes on to point out a shift in adoption drivers: from the developers at the front line to the CIOs.
"We're now seeing adoption driven from the CIOs, instead of from the individual developers, and it's allowing Linux to pick up momentum."
The company has recently released a free version of its flagship database product in an attempt to woo developers towards Oracle technologies.
If anyone wants to see how credable GE is check this out
New poster on the board. Have to catch them up on what's been going on...
Golden Eagle is a pathological liar and hypocrite. Here are examples:
Here, he complains that Cedega's not free: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1591595/posts?page=115#115
and then, mocks another user for suggesting that Cedega be free: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1591595/posts?page=134#134
then complains that Linux is free: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1530486/posts?page=40#40
and here he is, recommending free Solaris: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1490554/posts?page=21#21
Here he is, criticizing Linux because it doesn't run Windows apps: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1591595/posts?q=1&&page=101#115
and copping out when challenged about Windows inability to run Linux apps: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1591595/posts?page=118#118
Here he is, recommending Solaris, which doesn't run Windows apps: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1490554/posts?page=21#21
...and Apple, which doesn't either: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1573697/posts?page=9#9
Here, he's criticizing others for namecalling: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1584107/posts?page=29#29
And here he is, namecalling: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1583531/posts?page=61#61
Here's where he refers to Dell "systems": http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1585665/posts?page=35#35
Then denies his own words: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1585665/posts?page=137#137
then blames me for it all, saying I should have reminded him of his own words: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1585665/posts?page=165#165
Then, here's where he makes more false accusations of ME: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1592292/posts?page=90#90
and here's where I ask him to prove I said the things he accused me of: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1592292/posts?page=92#92
And refuses to provide a link to MY posts (he just linked to my history instead): http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1592292/posts?page=95#95
And fails again to prove what he says: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1592292/posts?page=99#99
And yet again, repeating the accusations, but failing to provide proof: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1592292/posts?page=122#122
And now, where his "proof" is something I didn't even post: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1592292/posts?page=125#125
and where he has the nerve to ask another poster to back up what they say with specific examples, despite the fact that he refused to do so for me: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1592292/posts?page=255#255
and here is where he demands that yet someone ELSE provide a link to prove what THEY said: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1568848/posts?page=68#68
and here is where he claims he will admit mistakes, despite the fact that he hasn't admitted this one: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1592494/posts?page=43#43
Here he is claiming that Red Hat has a couple of hundred Linux kernel developers: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1527263/posts?page=49#49
And here he is claiming no one knows how many kernel developers work for Red Hat: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1527263/posts?page=77#77
and yet, he denies that he said hundreds, yet again (21st paragraph): http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1592292/posts?page=131#131
And here he is getting nailed for it yet again:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1592292/posts?page=132#132
and again: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1592292/posts?page=137#137
and claiming that I never proved that he was wrong about the number of kernel developers at Red Hat: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1592292/posts?page=134#134
Here's where he hijacked the Open Source Ping List, and the ensuing discussion: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1571222/posts?page=8#8
Here he is ridiculing another poster for using bold fonts to make a point: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1493462/posts?page=130#130
And here he is using bold fonts to make a point: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1592292/posts?page=106#106
Here he is defending Microsoft's contributions to Planned Parenthood: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1492595/posts?page=22#22
And here he is defending Planned Parenthood itself: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1601565/posts?page=35#33
and again: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1601565/posts?page=40#40
Here is a Linux thread with only one post by GE (notice how pleasant and peaceful): http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1500664/posts?q=1&&page=1
Here is a Linux thread where GE stayed and trolled (well beyond 280 posts, totally off the topic. No insults before he showed up, as with many of his threads. He has stated multiple times that he was leaving, yet he keeps posting, because he's a last word freak): http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1592292/posts?q=1&&page=1#1
Here's where GE says Stallman is a whacko leftist: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1601565/posts?page=24#24
Here's where I agree: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1601565/posts?page=30#30
And here's where he disagrees that I agree: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1601565/posts?page=30#31
Here he is saying that he's leaving the thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1592292/posts?page=127#127
and here he is, many days and over 100 posts later, still posting: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1592292/posts?q=1&&page=281#284
Wow, I'm impressed. Now we can start working on the three instances of libel.
It was an easy honest mistake to make
Not if you bother to look it up before posting, or just have the general knowledge that Red Flag isn't designed for supercomputing. But you are right, they do mostly run Linux, although their fastest one is running AIX and they have HP/UX too (but that's okay because they paid for it, right?).
It's just a constant stream, of ridiculous BS, like his coninual claim that Microsoft is no longer releasing security patches for Windows 2000, or that their server share is below 50%.
The first may also have been confusion, as Microsoft ended mainstream support for 2K last year. That sounds like support ended, but security patches will continue for a while, and that's it (unless you paid for an extended hotfix agreement last year). I think Microsoft has a pretty good lifecycle support policy.
As far as the statistics, they mean nothing unless everything is narrowly defined and everybody agrees on the definitions. And even then the sources will differ.
For example, for definitions, I think virtual machines should count, since the point is how many instances of the OS are out there doing work. That won't just help Linux, since where I work we have multiple instances of W2K3 running on each of several boxes.
OTOH, my hosting service is using virtualized Linux, quite a lot on each server.
he complains that Cedega's not free
How is that a lie?
complains that Linux is free
Because as I said in that post foreign governments get to make free copies and run their computers on it. How is that a lie?
recommending free Solaris
How does that make me a liar? Solaris doesn't use the Free Sofware Foundation license put out by that radical leftist Stallman. Plus it's bonafide American Unix, not a foriegn fake like Linux.
criticizing Linux because it doesn't run Windows apps
Go back and actually try to read, I was criticising it for not having much "commercial software", since most of its users want everything for free. Still not a lie.
Solaris...Apple...
Good ole American Unix, not related to that leftist whacko Stallman you parrot all the time.
he's criticizing others for namecalling
Rightfully so, its what most of you do as soon as I start debunking your BS. Now you're saying I lied repeatedly but you haven't shown one yet.
refuses to provide a link to MY posts (he just linked to my history instead)
Hysterical! How is that a lie? And of course, FLAMMING DEATH has been posting on all the linix lie threads too, just as his history shows.
where he refers to Dell "systems"
Follow my links, those companies made it almost impossible for those callers to buy a Linux system from them. Not impossible, almost impossible, which is why they were complaining. How is that a lie? Looks like you're the one that's actually been caught lying again, doesn't it.
here is where he claims he will admit mistakes
As I just did on this very thread. How is that a lie? You're still the only one lying, and still haven't admitted it, just attack me for pointing it out to everyone like usual.
claiming that Red Hat has a couple of hundred Linux kernel developers
Which still hasn't been disproven. And the original point remains intact anyway, that programmers for US companies are giving free software to the Russian, Chinese, Cuban, Iranian, North Korean, and you name it governments for free. Which of course is not a lie, is it.
claiming that I never proved that he was wrong about the number of kernel developers at Red Hat
No one has shown how many they have, all we have is my like claiming there are more at Red Hat than anywhere, so obviously again I'm not the one lying.
where he hijacked the Open Source Ping List
Hilarious! The lie was obviously that the list was open source to begin with. If I can't use it, it's not open source, so it is just another lie by newbi3 when he claims it is.
defending Planned Parenthood
How is that a lie, and free condoms for aids infested areas of Africa as I specifically mentioned is a worthwhile program.
GE says Stallman is a whacko leftist
You call this a lie? The man with his own "Manifesto" to charge everyone taxes for their "free" software, and invented the term "copyleft" verses the normal "copyright". You're saying Stallman isn't a "whacko leftist"? Check his own website then, especially his political articles www.stallman.org Here he is saying that he's leaving the thread
Yeah I did go back on what I said there. But only after this exact same list of BS was posted about me, in a failed attempt to smear.
You call your list proof of MY lies newbi3? That's obviously just another long list of yours.
he complains that Cedega's not free
How is that a lie?
complains that Linux is free
Because as I said in that post foreign governments get to make free copies and run their computers on it. How is that a lie?
recommending free Solaris
How does that make me a liar? Solaris doesn't use the Free Sofware Foundation license put out by that radical leftist Stallman. Plus it's bonafide American Unix, not a foriegn fake like Linux.
criticizing Linux because it doesn't run Windows apps
Go back and actually try to read, I was criticising it for not having much "commercial software", since most of its users want everything for free. Still not a lie.
Solaris...Apple...
Good ole American Unix, not related to that leftist whacko Stallman you parrot all the time.
he's criticizing others for namecalling
Rightfully so, its what most of you do as soon as I start debunking your BS. Now you're saying I lied repeatedly but you haven't shown one yet.
refuses to provide a link to MY posts (he just linked to my history instead)
Hysterical! How is that a lie? And of course, FLAMMING DEATH has been posting on all the linix lie threads too, just as his history shows.
where he refers to Dell "systems"
Follow my links, those companies made it almost impossible for those callers to buy a Linux system from them. Not impossible, almost impossible, which is why they were complaining. How is that a lie? Looks like you're the one that's actually been caught lying again, doesn't it.
here is where he claims he will admit mistakes
As I just did on this very thread. How is that a lie? You're still the only one lying, and still haven't admitted it, just attack me for pointing it out to everyone like usual.
claiming that Red Hat has a couple of hundred Linux kernel developers
Which still hasn't been disproven. And the original point remains intact anyway, that programmers for US companies are giving free software to the Russian, Chinese, Cuban, Iranian, North Korean, and you name it governments for free. Which of course is not a lie, is it.
claiming that I never proved that he was wrong about the number of kernel developers at Red Hat
No one has shown how many they have, all we have is my like claiming there are more at Red Hat than anywhere, so obviously again I'm not the one lying.
where he hijacked the Open Source Ping List
Hilarious! The lie was obviously that the list was open source to begin with. If I can't use it, it's not open source, so it is just another lie by newbi3 when he claims it is.
defending Planned Parenthood
How is that a lie, and free condoms for aids infested areas of Africa as I specifically mentioned is a worthwhile program.
GE says Stallman is a whacko leftist
You call this a lie? The man with his own "Manifesto" to charge everyone taxes for their "free" software, and invented the term "copyleft" verses the normal "copyright". You're saying Stallman isn't a "whacko leftist"? Check his own website then, especially his political articles www.stallman.org. Or have somebody else do it, that we can trust.
Here he is saying that he's leaving the thread
Yeah I did go back on what I said there. But only after this exact same list of BS was posted about me, in a failed attempt to smear.
You call your list proof of MY lies newbi3? That's obviously just another long list of yours.
He wasn't confused, he was even providing links from Microsoft himself that blew his own case further out of the water, but continued his lie for days onto other threads. Yet he never retracted, and apparently never will. He actually started trying to preach to me about sin, as laughable as that is, in another pathetic attempt to cover his own sin up.
Which still hasn't been disproven.
Nor has it been proven you made a WAG that everyone here knows is off..
BTW--anyone know how I can restore USB and CD-RW support in Suse 10 (KDE 3.5.1), or how to set up ivman to properly detect my devices (autorun)?
Tried looking on numerous forums and sliced up my /etc/fstab (though I made a copy of the original and restored it through root)
I can read the Windows XP NTFS partition on my disk without a problem (/dev/hda1)
I lost it when I compiled the 2.6.16-default kernel. I have ivman (as recommended on numerous forums), but still can't get the devices to recognize.
you *STILL* have not answered the question the the adults were throwing around...
Jeff's original question:
"To be fair, isn't measuring rate of growth sort of misleading when it comes comparing large bases to smaller bases? "
So is Linux getting a 12% growth significant compared to MS 3.6%?
MS 3.6%
Without a linked source, I would say highly likely.
LMAO!
Its in the article above! The source is Oracle! YOu just proved you came here and started picking a fight without even reading the article...
"Monica Kumar, director of Oracle's Linux programme office, pointed to the open source operating system becoming mainstream as "businesses are looking to Linux as a way to save money," and quotes a projected annual growth rate of 11.7 percent over the next five years. The software heavyweight claims analysts project Windows' growth over the same period as being 3.6 percent per year."
BTW You still have not answered the question:
Jeff's original question:
"To be fair, isn't measuring rate of growth sort of misleading when it comes comparing large bases to smaller bases? "
So is Linux getting a 12% growth significant compared to MS 3.6%?
Projection is a funny thing, eh?
You mean the propoganda posted by one of Microsoft's biggest competitors on a foreign website? LOL, you call that credible? Actually, you probably do, since that seems to be close to the extent of your sources.
Why are you always pushing this foreign crap on us? Foreign software, foreign website BS, give it a rest already. Despite your insistence, this isn't like back in the 80's when everyone moved from Apple etc to IBM, or back in the 90's when everybody dumped Netware and moved to NT in nothing flat. If it was, I would probably be moving myself, just like I did those times.
Get real, even according to the best case scenario in your foreign rag, here in 5 years you'll still be looking up at a 2 to 1 Windows advantage on servers, and nowhere close on the desktop. And there are reasons why that is, and all the BS in the world isn't going to cover them up.
I'm sorry you'll have to show me where I said Linux was going to take the desktop or the server market from Microsoft...
As for doubting Oracle I *never* see you question a stat which is favorable to MS even if MS sponsored it but I do have some circumstantial evidence "Red Hat announced a 37% jump in revenue for its fourth quarter compared to the same quarter last year, and an increase of 42% for the whole year ended Feb. 28." Here
You *still* wont answer the question:
"To be fair, isn't measuring rate of growth sort of misleading when it comes comparing large bases to smaller bases? "
Yes, rates of growth for something that is tiny to begin with often makes it very misleading.
Thus it is wise to keep quiet about one's own misgivings before lambasting another about the same misgiving.
Well you and I will just have to disagree on that one..
You're not up to date.
The Current Golden Eagle Lie List:
(Now includes hypocrisy!).
Here, he complains that Cedega's not free: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1591595/posts?page=115#115
and then, mocks another user for suggesting that Cedega be free: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1591595/posts?page=134#134
then complains that Linux is free: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1530486/posts?page=40#40
and here he is, recommending free Solaris: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1490554/posts?page=21#21
Here he is, criticizing Linux because it doesn't run Windows apps: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1591595/posts?q=1&&page=101#115
and copping out when challenged about Windows inability to run Linux apps: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1591595/posts?page=118#118
Here he is, recommending Solaris, which doesn't run Windows apps: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1490554/posts?page=21#21
...and Apple, which doesn't either: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1573697/posts?page=9#9
Here, he's criticizing others for namecalling: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1584107/posts?page=29#29
And here he is, namecalling: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1583531/posts?page=61#61
Here's where he refers to Dell "systems": http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1585665/posts?page=35#35
Then denies his own words: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1585665/posts?page=137#137
then blames me for it all, saying I should have reminded him of his own words: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1585665/posts?page=165#165
Then, here's where he makes more false accusations of ME: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1592292/posts?page=90#90
and here's where I ask him to prove I said the things he accused me of: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1592292/posts?page=92#92
And refuses to provide a link to MY posts (he just linked to my history instead): http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1592292/posts?page=95#95
And fails again to prove what he says: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1592292/posts?page=99#99
And yet again, repeating the accusations, but failing to provide proof: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1592292/posts?page=122#122
And now, where his "proof" is something I didn't even post: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1592292/posts?page=125#125
and where he has the nerve to ask another poster to back up what they say with specific examples, despite the fact that he refused to do so for me: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1592292/posts?page=255#255
and here is where he demands that yet someone ELSE provide a link to prove what THEY said: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1568848/posts?page=68#68
and here is where he claims he will admit mistakes, despite the fact that he hasn't admitted this one: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1592494/posts?page=43#43
Here he is claiming that Red Hat has a couple of hundred Linux kernel developers: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1527263/posts?page=49#49
And here he is claiming no one knows how many kernel developers work for Red Hat: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1527263/posts?page=77#77
and yet, he denies that he said hundreds, yet again (21st paragraph): http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1592292/posts?page=131#131
And here he is getting nailed for it yet again:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1592292/posts?page=132#132
and again: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1592292/posts?page=137#137
and claiming that I never proved that he was wrong about the number of kernel developers at Red Hat: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1592292/posts?page=134#134
Here's where he hijacked the Open Source Ping List, and the ensuing discussion: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1571222/posts?page=8#8
Here he is ridiculing another poster for using bold fonts to make a point: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1493462/posts?page=130#130
And here he is using bold fonts to make a point: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1592292/posts?page=106#106
Here he is defending Microsoft's contributions to Planned Parenthood: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1492595/posts?page=22#22
And here he is defending Planned Parenthood itself: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1601565/posts?page=35#33
and again: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1601565/posts?page=40#40
Here is a Linux thread with only one post by GE (notice how pleasant and peaceful): http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1500664/posts?q=1&&page=1
Here is a Linux thread where GE stayed and trolled (well beyond 280 posts, totally off the topic. No insults before he showed up, as with many of his threads. He has stated multiple times that he was leaving, yet he keeps posting, because he's a last word freak): http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1592292/posts?q=1&&page=1#1
Here's where GE says Stallman is a whacko leftist: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1601565/posts?page=24#24
Here's where I agree: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1601565/posts?page=30#30
And here's where he disagrees that I agree: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1601565/posts?page=30#31
Here he is saying that he's leaving the thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1592292/posts?page=127#127
and here he is, many days and over 100 posts later, still posting: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1592292/posts?q=1&&page=281#284
Here is where GE masters time travel and brags that he's been a Freeper since '95: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/950193/posts?page=285#285
Here's where Jim Robinson tells about creating Freerepublic in '96: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1011545/posts
I already proved that was just more of your lies, except for the mistake I made about when I first started surfing FR, which I have already admitted was a mistake, several times. You boys never admit your lies, just unleash more to try to cover them all up.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1607069/posts?page=64#64
BTW, I read further on the last link and found out that FR was created in '96, but the forums weren't started until Feb of '97.
So, you were off by a good two years. Don't think that gives you ANY moral high ground to be saying anything about anyone else's handling of the truth. It's fine to make a mistake, but ya know, you've done it enough that it just makes you a hypocrite when you accuse others of doing the same things that you're doing.
Oh, and did you find those links that backed up your allegations about me yet?
You're not far off. MS couldn't grow by 12% without being on every computer that exists, and some that don't.
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